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Wrangler diesel engine 30% build rate?????

Discussion in 'Mopar / FCA News' started by CDJSalesPro, Aug 8, 2020.

  1. Ryan

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    Where is the 30% number coming from?

    FCA is recommending 15% of the ordering mix for the 4-door Wrangler be diesel.

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  2. Adventurer55

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    Auburn Hills should have one whole wall dedicated to at least three years. 1957, 1976 and 1989. With the words, "Remember, this is what you get when cost reduction is the most important thing in your company".
     
  3. aldo90731

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    Does FCA “recommendation” vary by region?
     
  4. Ryan

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    I don't think the ordering handbook that I am looking at is specific to any region.
     
  5. K-9

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    I'm curious as to what the actual take rate is for the diesel engine. Is there some way to look that up or is it company confidential?
     
  6. codypet

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    Autozone has it (I'm being facetious). Everytime I order a part and they ask me 2.2 or 2.6? And next to those engine options are "19% of cars" next to 2.2 and "81% of cars" next to 2.6. I assume those are the sales for those engines during that time.
     
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  7. freshforged

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    Not around here. 2.50 was the best I saw yesterday.
     
  8. WXman

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    I said nothing about trying to influence choice. All I said was the facts should be laid down so that the consumer CAN make the best choice. In my experience, sales staff in general know less about the product than the consumer who walks onto the lot to shop and that's a problem. It's also a problem that ONLY the fuel mileage benefit is discussed with the diesel, and none of the laundry list of sacrifices a person has to make to live with the diesel are mentioned. Again, this is speaking in general. There are exceptions to the rule such as yourself.

    I don't necessarily think diesel is a bad fit for Jeep or Ram 1500. I think THIS diesel is a bad fit. Like somebody mentioned... a light duty Cummins would have been amazing. Lower cost, less expensive maintenance, none of the problems.
     
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  9. WXman

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    Finally got mine home after two weeks! Fingers crossed now! Here's hoping for a better next 5,000 miles!
     

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  10. MJAB

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    So where was the leak? From document I don't see a description of the leak cause.
    Maybe I didn't read correctly.
     
  11. WXman

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    Sounds like there was a spot on the timing cover from machining that was allowing the oil to squeeze through. Unfortunately he had to take quite a few things apart to replace it, and there was one injector that was seized in the head already! Tough job.
     
  12. 97 plymouth neon expresso

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    I wonder what this would have cost out of warranty?
     
  13. MJAB

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    Well You should also add the Pentastar 3.6 V6 to the list of engines in new Wrangler with cases of oil leaks, some with engine replacement.
    Do You really think that maintain a new Cummins diesel light duty engine (ISF2.8 or R2.8, that doesn't meet actual emission legislation) would less expensive?

    I personally prefer of the diesel engines for vehicles like the Wrangler the inline 4 cylinders, less expensive manufacturing, more space in the engine bay, easier to service, 2 injectors and glowplugs less...
     
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  14. WXman

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    I have no idea. I'm guessing a timing cover and valve cover shipped from VM would likely be several hundred dollars. Then you've got around 6-8 hours of labor. Plus oil, oil filter, dye for testing, and misc items. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being a $2,000 bill.
     
  15. WXman

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    Yeah. The Cummins engines have the benefit of being made here. That alone would keep costs down. Also, they sell far more which keeps costs down. If FCA had used a Cummins engine in the 1500 they would have sold them faster than they could make them. The quantity sold and the ease of access to American parts would have made for a less expensive engine to own and operate over time. Oh well.....
     
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  16. saltydog

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    When looking for my Ram, I have seen so many dealers with 3.0's on the lots and I just could not justify the cost. In 4 years with my GMC Truck, I put on 32k miles, so it would take me forever to recoup the cost.

    Funny, many of these dealers still have these 3.0's on the lots.....o_O
     
  17. MJAB

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    Not to be bad, but the cost depends also on how much damages makes the technitian that works on the engine.
     
  18. MJAB

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    Which engine from Cummins? They have actually no small engines that can be used onroad in U.S.A..
    Or maybe You are talking about the ones that they make for Asian market, 4 cylinders (ISF 2.8 and 3.8, Euro 3 emissions level initially), that have several known problems.

    p.s.: the Cummins R2.8 crate engine sold in U.S.A. is an engine of ISF 2.8 engines family. Don't know how much parts they change vs. ISF 2.8, but most parts are the same and are manufactured in a chinese plant.
    Assembly should be done in U.S.A., well always if I remeber well what I read time ago.
     
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  19. WXman

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    They could have built a new one. It would have been a lucrative business deal.

    Or, they could have taken that 5.0 V8 that Nissan ended up with and put a few tweaks on it to make it more fuel efficient and boom... perfect 1/2 ton truck engine.
     
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    Not to mention the goodwill the Cummins name brought to Dodge/Ram over several decades.
     
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