Yeah, I didn't mind the 4 speed in the old minivan, nor the bastard child Astro Van I own that is throwing a rather shocking fit lately (gotta find the source of arcing). In some ways I prefer a 4 speed and in some ways I prefer the 6. For slow cruising through town I generally like the 4, highway I like the 6, and in all out merge NOW I like the 6.patfromigh said:My '12 Avenger is a four speed and it runs great. My car has the Easter egg feature where putting the shift selector in 3 brings on a more aggressive shift pattern. There's nothing wrong with a transmission with two decades of refinement.