[RampageBoy]

Can't find any recent news. Is this project dead? Tavares says no more investing in ICE but this engine was near roll out? Seemed to be a natural to use in Wagoneers? Stellantis will limp along with Hemis and Pentastar 6 for larger vehicles until electrification?

 

[World14]

The topic is hit or miss:

• Some say the lines were already pumping them out, then they were stopped.
• Others say the motors were "vaporware" (essentially, non-existent).
• Some say that the motor is still going to happen, but the actual hard facts on if it's gone completely through testing or is production ready are unknown.

I wouldn't really trust much at this point.

 

[Erik Latranyi]

Can't find any recent news. Is this project dead? Tavares says no more investing in ICE but this engine was near roll out? Seemed to be a natural to use in Wagoneers? Stellantis will limp along with Hemis and Pentastar 6 for larger vehicles until electrification?

The rumor is that we will see it late this year or next year on the all-new Grand Cherokee and Grand Cherokee L, the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer.

 

[Dave Z]

The only person who said it was vaporware was not very credible. He was probably just upset they were not completely created in Italy.

I doubt we will see it on premium Jeeps. Too much noise and vibration. It was meant for Ram to replace the 5.7 Hemi, according to credible insiders. This goes way back to SM’s plan to drop everything by 2 cylinders—where a V6 had been used, go to a four; where a V8 had been used, go to a six.

 

[David S]

The only person who said it was vaporware was not very credible. He was probably just upset they were not completely created in Italy.

I doubt we will see it on premium Jeeps. Too much noise and vibration. It was meant for Ram to replace the 5.7 Hemi, according to credible insiders. This goes way back to SM’s plan to drop everything by 2 cylinders—where a V6 had been used, go to a four; where a V8 had been used, go to a six.

By definition it is vaporware. "vaporware is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is late or never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles."

Vaporware - Wikipedia

 

[Dave Z]

By definition it is vaporware. "vaporware is a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is late or never actually manufactured nor officially cancelled. Use of the word has broadened to include products such as automobiles."

Vaporware - Wikipedia

Late shouldn't count as vaporware. Then everything FCA every made would be vaporware. Vaporware is when it never comes out at all.

 

[David S]

Late shouldn't count as vaporware. Then everything FCA every made would be vaporware. Vaporware is when it never comes out at all.

It hasn't come out at all, I can't buy one. It is vaporware until it does.

 

[allparman]

I can't believe that it will be truck specific like the Jeep 3.7/4.7 twins. I suspect the delay is down to FCA refining the thing to be suitable for use in all applications.

 

[Mark Powers]

The turbo 6 was replaced with the 392 Hemi...

 

[Erik Latranyi]

I can't believe that it will be truck specific like the Jeep 3.7/4.7 twins. I suspect the delay is down to FCA refining the thing to be suitable for use in all applications.

FCA has not demonstrated an ability to deliver a mass-market engine that is smooth and refined. Sure, high-end Alfas and Maseratis are fine, but the 1.3, 2.0 and 2.4 we have in North America are known for their noise, vibration and harshness.

Rumor was that the Inline 6 was delayed for this reason. It is not a truck engine. It was supposed to go into the next generation Charger/Challenger and offer turbocharged variants.

If they scaled it back to just truck applications, then it must be an awful motor.

 

[Dave Z]

It hasn't come out at all, I can't buy one. It is vaporware until it does.

You live in a strange place.

 

[Adventurer55]

I've said this from the beginning, it wasn't needed. I seriously doubt given the move to electrics and the stated intent that all ice projects are dead. This engine was a dream of a BMW fighter IMHO and it must've not passed the very high standard to compete with them. More wasted resources.

 

[Tomguy]

We don't know anything about it, so rather than speculate, why not look up some legendary I6 engines like the Ford Barra, or the 1JZ and 2JZ, or even the AMC 4.0.

 

[World14]

The only person who said it was vaporware was not very credible. He was probably just upset they were not completely created in Italy.

I doubt we will see it on premium Jeeps. Too much noise and vibration. It was meant for Ram to replace the 5.7 Hemi, according to credible insiders. This goes way back to SM’s plan to drop everything by 2 cylinders—where a V6 had been used, go to a four; where a V8 had been used, go to a six.

If the GME 3L is an Auburn Hills job and they can't make one of the smoothest, and relatively simple, engine designs smooth, then no wonder why Europeans are handling the small cars.....
Over 100 years of engine building, a history with the Slant 6, Ford 300, Nissan's RB, Toyota's JZ, BMW's S/N/whatever the codes are.... all smooth running engines with little to no NVH concerns........
It's simple engine building. NVH for a modern I6 should NOT be this difficult.
Giving the benefit of the doubt, I seriously don't believe it's NVH related.

 

[Gerald Wiltson]

My understanding is that the original idea with the GME 6 was to better compete with Ford (and probably Toyota moving forward who is rumored to be moving to an all 6-cylinder lineup) on fuel economy in full size trucks.

The huge problem that FCA has is that they are throwing a massive amount of Carbon Credits to Tesla, because they have so many gas guzzlers. In fact, a large part of Tesla's revenue stream is making money from FCA and other legacy automakers.

GM and Fiat Chrysler are buying Tesla’s regulatory credits – TechCrunch

One of the more opaque segments of Tesla’s business just became a little more transparent. Recent filings show that GM and Fiat Chrysler have bought zero-emissions vehicle credits from Tesla, Bloomberg reported Monday. Tesla’s ZEV credit program isn’t a secret. The company has br…

techcrunch.com

I know that pickup trucks have a ton of configurations, but here are some random fuel economy numbers:


FORD:
When equipped with the available 2.7-liter EcoBoost with standard Auto Start-Stop, F-150 4x2 has best-in-class EPA-estimated gasoline fuel economy ratings of 19 mpg city, 26 mpg highway and 22 mpg combined (actual mileage will vary).

The engine produces 325 horsepower and 375 lb.-ft. of torque with a maximum payload rating of 2,250 pounds and maximum tow rating of 8,500 pounds – ideal for meeting mid-range capability requirements and the needs of more than 90 percent of light-duty truck customers.


RAM:
The V8 engine should give you 17 mpg in the city and 23 mpg on the highway.

The 2020 Ram 1500's Fuel Economy Is Drastically Worse Than Advertised

Sales of pickup trucks continue to increase, and the Ram 1500, in particular, continues to grow in popularity. Pickup trucks saw a 6 percent increase in

www.motorbiscuit.com

 

[Gerald Wiltson]

The concept of RAM adopting a VR6 style, short inline 6 block was intriguing. You could fit that engine in all sorts of vehicles, including trucks.
I assume it could get at least as good of horsepower and torque numbers as Ford's 2.7 ecoboost.

 

[turbonetic]

It'll be in the new wrangler! -False
It'll be in the new Ram -False
It'll be in the new Gladiator -False
It'll be in the new Grand Cherokee -False
It'll be in the new Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer -False

What do you think?

 

[serpens]

I have my doubts its ever going to see the light of day. Although I do think its strange that we didn't get 5.7L V8 updates in lieu of the GME T6.

 

[valiant67]

If the GME 3L is an Auburn Hills job and they can't make one of the smoothest, and relatively simple, engine designs smooth, then no wonder why Europeans are handling the small cars.....
Over 100 years of engine building, a history with the Slant 6, Ford 300, Nissan's RB, Toyota's JZ, BMW's S/N/whatever the codes are.... all smooth running engines with little to no NVH concerns........
It's simple engine building. NVH for a modern I6 should NOT be this difficult.
Giving the benefit of the doubt, I seriously don't believe it's NVH related.

Just because one or more iterations of an inline 6 is "smooth" doesn't mean they all are, especially new designs. Emission rules have made a lot of old classic engine designs obsolete. Bore vs. stroke ratios may have had to adjust in new designs, compression ,valve timing, all that stuff. Designing an engine for turbo requirements is quite different than many old normally aspirated engines.

 

[serpens]

Just because one or more iterations of an inline 6 is "smooth" doesn't mean they all are, especially new designs. Emission rules have made a lot of old classic engine designs obsolete. Bore vs. stroke ratios may have had to adjust in new designs, compression ,valve timing, all that stuff. Designing an engine for turbo requirements is quite different than many old normally aspirated engines.

Especially given it sounds like they were engineering it to be compact, which brings along its own compromises.