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2024 Fiat 600 Small SUV Caught Undisguised

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They also added a quarter window. So the vehicle is visibly larger.
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Looks like they also moved the side marker light from the side of the front fenders to the side of the headlights. I don’t particularly care for the resulting sleepy eye with eye lashes look.
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Now, if Fiat had the brains.....They would combine the 500x, 500e, 600, AND bring back the Spyder. With the right marketing and price point, they could offer a real alternative to the Japanese/ Chinese/ Koreans. Add in a compact pickup, and Stellantis could have a very nice Entry Level Brand for North America, with a 7 year warranty of course!
Chrysler Canada is being much more aggressive with the discounts.

When I watch the Stanley Cup at my dad’s place, in BC, I drool when I see the Chrysler Canada ads - 15% off MSRP on Jeeps and Rams; 0% over 60 months.

All we get here in the US is $2,000 off, and 7.2% over 36 months...
Right but look at the MSRP its starting at lol.
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Right but look at the MSRP its starting at lol.
Don't forget the Canadian dollar is at .74 cents US, that's about 30% less than the Greenback when you do the exchange. In Canada we've always paid more for LX, LA...etc, than our American neighbours, even with exchange factored in. Strange for a vehicle built in Canada and exported to the U.S.
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This is the first friendly face on a car since the Neon. Remember the "Hi" advertisements when it first came out? It should be brought over here, and it should obviously be called the Dodge Neon. It looks better than the Peugeot 2008 stablemate, which I think is too busy in its looks. This is simple, like the original Dodge Neon, which sold well and always made a profit. We used to drive a Neon, until we got older and switched to a PT Cruiser, which had the perfect seat height for getting in and out without having to do deep knee bends.
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This is the first friendly face on a car since the Neon. Remember the "Hi" advertisements when it first came out? It should be brought over here, and it should obviously be called the Dodge Neon. It looks better than the Peugeot 2008 stablemate, which I think is too busy in its looks. This is simple, like the original Dodge Neon, which sold well and always made a profit. We used to drive a Neon, until we got older and switched to a PT Cruiser, which had the perfect seat height for getting in and out without having to do deep knee bends.
This is too small to be sold in North America. It is smaller than a Neon, more like a Mini.

There is no market for such small vehicles here except from high quality/high customer service brands.

That is why the Jeep Avenger (same size) is not coming to North America as well.
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This is too small to be sold in North America. It is smaller than a Neon, more like a Mini.

There is no market for such small vehicles here except from high quality/high customer service brands.

That is why the Jeep Avenger (same size) is not coming to North America as well.
AvengerCooper 5 doorShadowNeon
Wheelbase2,560 mm (100.8 in)2,567 mm (101.1 in) (5-door)97.2 in (2,469 mm) (1993-1994)105.0 in (2,667 mm)
Length4,084 mm (160.8 in)3,982 mm (156.8 in) (5-door)171.9 in (4,366 mm) (1993-1994) 174.4 in (4,430 mm)
Width1,776 mm (69.9 in)1,727 mm (68.0 in)67.3 in (1,709 mm)67.4 in (1,712 mm)
Height1,528 mm (60.2 in)1,425 mm (56.1 in) (5-door)53.1 in (1,349 mm) (1994)56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Curb weight1,182–1,536 kg (2,606–3,386 lb)2,643 lb (1,199 kg) (5-door)
Cargo12.5 cu ft91313

Actually you could think of it as a vertical Neon. Neon is 14" longer, but 4" lower and 2.5" narrower. Shadow was 7" lower. Clearly the Mini isn't in the same category as it is the same height as the Neon but 17.6" shorter with a very small cargo area.

For the US market they could use the same exact platform with the same wheelbase and create an Aries/Reliant, 400/LeBaron replacement, but those cars were 178.5 in (4,534 mm) to 184.8 in (4,694 mm), longer than the Shadow/Neon. The platform has great potential for the US, but the short rear overhang sheetmetal needs to stay in Europe, and the front overhang probably needs to be longer too for good scores on IIHS crash tests and US bumpers as well.

Once again leave the Fiats in Europe, bring the PSA/STLA platforms to the US with Dodge/Chrysler specific sheet metal.
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AvengerCooper 5 doorShadowNeon
Wheelbase2,560 mm (100.8 in)2,567 mm (101.1 in) (5-door)97.2 in (2,469 mm) (1993-1994)105.0 in (2,667 mm)
Length4,084 mm (160.8 in)3,982 mm (156.8 in) (5-door)171.9 in (4,366 mm) (1993-1994) 174.4 in (4,430 mm)
Width1,776 mm (69.9 in)1,727 mm (68.0 in)67.3 in (1,709 mm)67.4 in (1,712 mm)
Height1,528 mm (60.2 in)1,425 mm (56.1 in) (5-door)53.1 in (1,349 mm) (1994)56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Curb weight1,182–1,536 kg (2,606–3,386 lb)2,643 lb (1,199 kg) (5-door)
Cargo12.5 cu ft91313

Actually you could think of it as a vertical Neon. Neon is 14" longer, but 4" lower and 2.5" narrower. Shadow was 7" lower. Clearly the Mini isn't in the same category as it is the same height as the Neon but 17.6" shorter with a very small cargo area.

For the US market they could use the same exact platform with the same wheelbase and create an Aries/Reliant, 400/LeBaron replacement, but those cars were 178.5 in (4,534 mm) to 184.8 in (4,694 mm), longer than the Shadow/Neon. The platform has great potential for the US, but the short rear overhang sheetmetal needs to stay in Europe, and the front overhang probably needs to be longer too for good scores on IIHS crash tests and US bumpers as well.

Once again leave the Fiats in Europe, bring the PSA/STLA platforms to the US with Dodge/Chrysler specific sheet metal.
like the fiats, the PSA Platforms are still considered old now. which is why we getting the new stuff.
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Don't forget the Canadian dollar is at .74 cents US, that's about 30% less than the Greenback when you do the exchange. In Canada we've always paid more for LX, LA...etc, than our American neighbours, even with exchange factored in. Strange for a vehicle built in Canada and exported to the U.S.
Canada used to be Chrysler’s strongest market on a per-capita basis.

As recently as five years ago, Chrysler outsold Ford and GM some Qs. That’s not the case anymore after, first Caravan, and then Journey, got axed.

Hyundai-Kia has been kicking FCA/Stella's äss over there for a number of years now.
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AvengerCooper 5 doorShadowNeon
Wheelbase2,560 mm (100.8 in)2,567 mm (101.1 in) (5-door)97.2 in (2,469 mm) (1993-1994)105.0 in (2,667 mm)
Length4,084 mm (160.8 in)3,982 mm (156.8 in) (5-door)171.9 in (4,366 mm) (1993-1994) 174.4 in (4,430 mm)
Width1,776 mm (69.9 in)1,727 mm (68.0 in)67.3 in (1,709 mm)67.4 in (1,712 mm)
Height1,528 mm (60.2 in)1,425 mm (56.1 in) (5-door)53.1 in (1,349 mm) (1994)56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Curb weight1,182–1,536 kg (2,606–3,386 lb)2,643 lb (1,199 kg) (5-door)
Cargo12.5 cu ft91313

Actually you could think of it as a vertical Neon. Neon is 14" longer, but 4" lower and 2.5" narrower. Shadow was 7" lower. Clearly the Mini isn't in the same category as it is the same height as the Neon but 17.6" shorter with a very small cargo area.

It may be called a Fiat, but the 600 is a PSA design, essentially a Citroen C3 Aircross in a different skin, and will be manufactured in Poland along with the Avenger and B-Alfa. It most closely matches up with the PT Cruiser, which, with its front bumper straightened instead of in a "v," would be about the same length. Weight is close, but the PT is taller, which is why, along with its huge tailgate and solid rear axle, it was such a fantastic "truck" for hauling stuff. Biggest mistake Daimler made was ignoring the PT. It wouldn't take much to add 6 inches to the tail, but lengthening the front would require a complete redesign of crash absorption structure.

The plan is to use LFP (Lithium-Iron-Phosphate) batteries, which are heavier but safer and cheaper. No nickel, no cobalt. There's a plan to manufacture a version with a slightly smaller battery pack and lower motor power to bring the price down. We can't transition to carbon free transportation with $50,000 cars. The price must come down. And how much vehicle does one really need? Three-fourths of the time we drive alone. A 45 pound electric bike can haul a 200 pound payload and so can a 7,000 pound electric pickup. In between those extremes will be vehicles like the Fiat 600, or better yet, a derivative of the Citroen OLI concept car, which only weighs 2,300 pounds and can go 50% farther on the same battery power than the most efficient electric car on the road today.

We have to realize that vehicle morphology must change with the switch to electrification. What manufacturers are doing today is the same thing coach builders did in the 1830s. They adapted a wooden stagecoach to run on rails and be pulled by a steam engine instead of horses. Over time, a better morphology appropriate to the means of travel was developed. That means vehicles that won't be designed to be able to be powered by either electricity or IC engines. Today's electric vehicles are essentially IC engine bodies converted to electric propulsion, resulting in excess weight and cost.

I'm 74, and I grew up with land yachts, with huge front and rear overhangs, that handled atrociously and had abysmal fuel economy. I had access to a car pool and always chose a Suburban over a Chevy sedan because I could see out and down the road, a major reason people prefer crossovers. When the oil crisis hit, we all switched over to small cars quite readily. The first time I drove a Simca 1204 at 70 mph on a gravel road and experienced how it tracked straight as an arrow, I said I would never go back to rear wheel drive again. A co-worker, who owned a Camaro, rode with me once and marveled at how much more interior room the Simca had than his car. Americans will drive smaller cars, but manufacturers don't like to produce them because the profit margin is too small. If Western manufacturers don't produce less expensive cars, China will jump into that hole and eat their lunch.

Bring the 600 across the pond, call it the Dodge Neon, and keep its happy face.
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Fiat 600 is a Fiat design on a PSA platform. It won't sell here. First, it won't score a good score on the IIHS crash test with that short front overhang, that needs to be stretched and reinforced. Second, Americans won't buy a hatchback with a micro cargo area, it needs more rear overhang to provide room for at least 20 cu ft of cargo and a US spec rear bumper. Once you get done stretching the front and rear, at 60" tall you basically have a new PT Cruiser.

Ignoring the PT was not a mistake. The federal government changed the rules, its classification went from very efficient truck to very inefficient station wagon. They didn't need an inefficient station wagon.

At the very least we need something that can take a T bone hit from these SUVs and pickups driving around. That's why IIHS bumped their side impact test up from a 3300 lb car to a 4200 lb SUV. The smallest vehicle to earn a top safety pick this year is the Corolla hatch 4,370 mm (172.0 in) x 1,790 mm (70 in), you can't go as small as they do in Europe and be safe in a US filled with pickups and SUVs. It's not a matter of driver training, the geography / weather, population density and vehicle mix in the US simply make for more dangerous driving conditions that require a safer car. No 2 seat 2300 pound cars for the US. Lengthening the front of Avenger/600 would require a complete redesign of crash absorption structure, which is exactly what needs to be done to score a good test on the IIHS test. No unmodified European market Fiats, no more Fiats for the US at all. Dodge and Chrysler cars could be made on CMP/EMP1/STLA small, but they can't be made by rebadging too short for the US models.

BEVs are not carbon free at this time. 60% of US electricity is made from fossil fuels, 90% of E10 we burn in cars is made from fossil fuels. BEVs just export the pollution from downtown to the power plant, and reduce it by 30%.


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I’d like to know how MINI managed to keep their short front overhang. Doesn’t seem any longer than the 600. In any event, it will be interesting to see what small cars make it here over the long term.

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I’d like to know how MINI managed to keep their short front overhang. Doesn’t seem any longer than the 600. In any event, it will be interesting to see what small cars make it here over the long term.

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Sales are so low IIHS hasn't even crash tested one. I don't think it would get a good score.
There are multiple ways to meet various standards. Tall, heavy designs work and are the cheapest way to do things.
I remember being told the LX cars had to have that tall hood and sills because that was the only way the cars could need European pedestrian safety standards. That wasn’t true, it was just the easiest and cheapest way.
You can’t look at a car and visually decide if it meets certain standards or not.
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That wasn’t true, it was just the easiest and cheapest way.
It’s even worse when an easier/cheaper alternative is dismissed simply due to not-invented-here arrogance.
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There are multiple ways to meet various standards. Tall, heavy designs work and are the cheapest way to do things.
I remember being told the LX cars had to have that tall hood and sills because that was the only way the cars could need European pedestrian safety standards. That wasn’t true, it was just the easiest and cheapest way.
You can’t look at a car and visually decide if it meets certain standards or not.
The tall hood and firewall are due to cheaply meeting the European standards. The gunslot side windows are entirely styling driven. Notice the low side window sills on the 2nd generation Concorde/Intrepid, much lower than the hood at the A pillar and trunk at the C pillar. There isn't any safety reason the LX cars didn't have that, that is entirely a styling decision.

You need a certain amount of overhang to get a good score the IIHS tests, it obviously isn't possible with zero overhang. Give the wheelbase of the Avenger/600 the same overhang as the Corolla hatch and you get 4290 mm, it is highly unlikely that these 4 meter designs could earn a good score.
like the fiats, the PSA Platforms are still considered old now. which is why we getting the new stuff.
The new stuff is the PSA platforms. They are 13 years newer than the Fiat platforms they will replace.

The CUSW basic platform dates to 2001. C2 was upgraded to the 70% new C-Evo in 2010, CUSW was a minor upgrade in 2013.
The EMP2/STLA Medium basic platform dates to 2013. EMP2 v3 was 70% new in 2021.
"The EMP2 V3 is the third iteration of the EMP2 platform, which debuted with the second-generation DS 4.[5][13][14] The improved platform introduced 70 percent new components compared to the previous iteration.[15] It supports mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid and battery electric powertrains.[9]"

The SUSW basic platform dates to GM-Fiat SCCS in 2005. It was widened to SUSW for 2012.
EMP1/CMP/STLA Small basic platform dates to 2018
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One interesting comment from one French site:
C’est génial pour la version thermique on aura un moteur pur Tech Peugeot avec tous ses défauts à la place du moteur Fire de Fiates ça s’appelle le progrès

Do translation by yourself.
One interesting comment from one French site:
C’est génial pour la version thermique on aura un moteur pur Tech Peugeot avec tous ses défauts à la place du moteur Fire de Fiates ça s’appelle le progrès

Do translation by yourself.
It is one person's opinion.

I am sure there are far more people happy it is not a junk FCA powertrain.
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It's not a matter of driver training, the geography / weather, population density and vehicle mix in the US simply make for more dangerous driving conditions that require a safer car.
Maybe, but we have lots of accidents that you don't typically see in Europe, particularly in Germany because the driver fluency and better adherence to rules is much greater. I saw two scenarios here in Indy that could easily have ended badly just this week that don't happen in Germany because people know better. One today was a Jeep Wrangler passing multiple vehicles on the right coming into a traffic circle that were stopped behind a box truck, the other was stopping to let someone opposite turn in front of a driver when there's a right through lane on the offending driver's side and heavy traffic. I was beside myself. These people are careless at best.
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