[AHBGuru]

Vehicles aren't ever going to get simpler. Heck, there are still people complaining about Lean Burn ...

Engineering has taken a back seat to marketing and cost-cutting at Chrysler, but that just follows the trend started by Daimler.

Whether they had kept the hemi or with the new Hurricane, my big concerns would be: Purchase price, parts support and cost, ease of maintenance and cost, and warranty support.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that I'm not alone here, as I'll be keeping my 3.7 WK until she blows up, and then - maybe - I'll take a look at a 3.6 WD.

 

[serpens]

The SST HO has less payload and towing than the standard output SST... not sure why one would opt for the high output anyway.

I believe that was due to the high option trim levels the HO is tied to more than a statement about the motor. I saw that thread in the 5thgenram forums and that fact was largely glossed over by the people upset about it.

 

[butcher_block]

in my eyes as far as layout on that picture i have to wonder why the gas tank was not flipped to the other side so the exhaust has a straighter shot out the back. a more complex fix woudl be make the head flipped so all the turbos cats and pipping stays on the pass side of the truck. have to think the steering "gear" and 4x4 on the drivers side would have made putting turbos on the pass side more ideal

 

[Cleffy]

To be fair, the Wagoneer is ugly and is priced at a premium. How is it going to outsell a Suburban in a different price category. It also doesn't have the same premium as a Cadillac. The vehicle was terribly styled and has the wrong badge on it for a premium body on frame SUV.

 

[LouJC]

Vehicles aren't ever going to get simpler. Heck, there are still people complaining about Lean Burn ...

Engineering has taken a back seat to marketing and cost-cutting at Chrysler, but that just follows the trend started by Daimler.

Whether they had kept the hemi or with the new Hurricane, my big concerns would be: Purchase price, parts support and cost, ease of maintenance and cost, and warranty support.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that I'm not alone here, as I'll be keeping my 3.7 WK until she blows up, and then - maybe - I'll take a look at a 3.6 WD.

I have the same thought process vis a vis repair-ability etc. I buy used and maintain my own vehicles as much as I can. For me the issue with the WK series now is parts availability. That will be the main thing pushing me to a newer vehicle. Just watched an episode of South Main Auto. Eric O needed a new FCM for an 09 WK. Of course NLA, discontinued. Found used but he had to sent it out to a specialist to get it coded to the vehicles VIN. He could not do it with his full featured scanner system. Point being they discontinue parts but also make it hard for a DIY to repair with used parts.
Can you imagine the response from a dealership mechanic when they are told to drop the trans pan on this new Ram to change the lifetime fluid (which ZF themselves, say is like 150KM that's like 93,000 miles) and finds the exhaust in the middle of their way?!
BTW my dealership wanted $750 to change the fluid on my '07 WK with the 545 RFE. My cost using Mopar filters and fluid (dealer parts guy gives me discounts because I'm a frequent flyer lol) was $180.

 

[HotCarNut]

There's a difference between recommended and required. I promise you almost nobody is putting mid-grade in a 5.7 Hemi truck.

I'm putting midgrade in my Grand Cherokee Trailhawk and it makes a positive difference in both MPG and power. YMMV

 

[mopar22]

The V8 Ram 1500 Is Dead After 2024 | The Drive

not sure if the pic will show up in the link but I see a few things here I do not like.
1) all the heat generating components are on the same side of the engine, both turbos, and cat converters
2) exhaust pipes appear to snake under the trans pan, if that's the case let's hope that "lifetime" fluid is really lifetime
3) the article quotes a couple more MPG than the V8.
all this for that, and they did this engine instead of re-designing the cyl heads on the V8 to make it better on emissions? An all aluminum smaller displacement V8 with MDS which works just fine on most Hemis, would have done the job for far less expense.
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Is that the hill you're really gonna die on? They've been routing the exhaust under the trans for a while with a cat right beside it as well. A cat is the most efficient the faster is warms up which means it is going to be right there no matter the engine configuration. If anything the tt i6 cats are better suited for the transmission as they look further away from it (at least one) and the transmission isn't being sandwiched by them.

BMW has no problem using the same layout for exhaust and they've been doing modern i6 turbos for the longest time. Oh yeah and they use the same zf transmission, the only difference is it seems BMW buys their transmissions instead of building them

 

[Cleffy]

Modern BMWs aren't exactly reliable, and that exhaust setup has to be one of the dumbest most complicated ways to route the exhaust I have seen. I bet they use a proprietary 10.5mm 9 point star bolt too.
I mean seriously how important is weight distribution to have the exhaust cross over 12 inches forward? It's miniscule at best while having a hot pipe that is squished and has sharp turns blocking access to the transmission.

 

[serpens]

BMW’s B58 and S58 turbo I6 engines are actually very stout and reliable. They’ve been a bit of a revelation and a tuner favorite.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Video on new engine:

 

[WXman]

He mentioned it himself, this is the most power per liter they've ever mass produced. It will be very interesting to see how it holds up when it's got a 12k lb. camper behind it on a 100 degree day climbing the mountains. If these engines can make 100k miles with no issues in the full size pickup truck lineup I will be impressed. But for the time being I am skeptical.

 

[113540]

I'll have to see what others think, not something I'll be interested in.

 

[geoff.gariepy]

He mentioned it himself, this is the most power per liter they've ever mass produced. It will be very interesting to see how it holds up when it's got a 12k lb. camper behind it on a 100 degree day climbing the mountains. If these engines can make 100k miles with no issues in the full size pickup truck lineup I will be impressed. But for the time being I am skeptical.

If these engines only make 100K miles with no issues it's a rip-off, especially considering the price premium these trucks command. And I bet 100K is probably about what they'll last, too.

 

[Bob Lincoln]

Modern BMWs aren't exactly reliable, and that exhaust setup has to be one of the dumbest most complicated ways to route the exhaust I have seen. I bet they use a proprietary 10.5mm 9 point star bolt too.
I mean seriously how important is weight distribution to have the exhaust cross over 12 inches forward? It's miniscule at best while having a hot pipe that is squished and has sharp turns blocking access to the transmission.

Are these alleged reliability issues for BMW directly traceable to hot exhaust near a transmission? If not, then this is irrelevant.

 

[Zagnut27]

Because everyone here knows more than the engineers who designed the engine….

 

[codypet]

To be clear, ONLY the high output 540hp hurricane requires premium. The standard output requires minimum 87

Beat me to it. I think the thread title should include "High Output".

<edit> I see it has changed now.

More info

Ram 1500 “premium controversy” is a nothing-burger

Recently, another site came out with criticism that the 2025 Ram 1500’s high output Hurricane six will require premium fuel. This was their second headline; originally they didn’t mention that it was only the high output engine requiring premium. This was followed by predictable comments from...

www.stellpower.com

 

[LouJC]

Because everyone here knows more than the engineers who designed the engine….

but we all also know that it's not just engineers involved in design, it's the "make it cheaper guys" who have a way of mucking things up.
the rest of us non-engineers just see the end result and are stuck with fixing it.

 

[Zagnut27]

but we all also know that it's not just engineers involved in design, it's the "make it cheaper guys" who have a way of mucking things up.
the rest of us non-engineers just see the end result and are stuck with fixing it.

True. However, let’s see them in actual use over time before passing judgement on how good or bad they are.

 

[davidr2challager]

Yepp
Just like the ecoboost

They might as well have kept the hemis I'm not selling my heavy truck it'll still be cheaper to operate

 

[Khaibit]

More info

Ram 1500 “premium controversy” is a nothing-burger

Recently, another site came out with criticism that the 2025 Ram 1500’s high output Hurricane six will require premium fuel. This was their second headline; originally they didn’t mention that it was only the high output engine requiring premium. This was followed by predictable comments from...

www.stellpower.com

When is Dave going to address the absolute cratering of Ram 1500 sales since 2019, or is that also a nothing burger?

Oh, and you ain't seen nothing yet. You guys are going to have your nose rubbed into how important the V8 was to buyers.