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You will probably see the other half of those wires on the instrument panel side. Just splice them back together on re-assembly.
After you have replaced A/C evaporators a couple of times, you learn the shortcuts about HVAC removal. The steering column can be dropped down and protected from scratches with a fender cover as the passenger-side of the dash swings out. They both can stay inside the car. Air and electric tools speed the removal of bolts and screws. The HVAC housing can then be removed out of the passenger door opening. Lay down fender covers to protect the interior trim from scratches as you R&R the housing.
 

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I traced the wires back to the BCM. One is red. One is black. Both have their ends stripped. And are spanning from each end of the dashboard to the other. What does the antenna on the cloud car look like for the key fobs?

When replacing parts for the AC, is it okay to go with aftermarket OE replacements? Or is Mopar Genuine required?
 

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I believe that the ends look stripped because they have been pulled out of their terminals. I remember seeing this before, but can't remember where they went. I guess that you may find out what doesn't work when it goes back together. Something like courtesy lights perhaps? They aren't normal courtesy lamp wire colors. I'll try to find out.
The RKE antenna should be up around the windshield area.
If it is an OEM part, it should fit. I have had problems with that 'factory fit'claim before. Be cautious about differences. Inspect before you buy. Chinese parts are rampant. Mopar is the the safest bet. Don't shop strictly by price, although quality issues can happen with anything. I bought a new evaporator that had been sitting on a shelf for 8 years and it failed 2 years later.
 

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Hmmm. Could it be something for a feature I do not have? Such as a security system? Or tweeters in the dash? The wires have been taped down. I can try to splice them. My only worry is that they are opposite colors. I guess the worst thing that could happen is that a fuse would blow.

That is my worry. I don't want parts blowing out with refrigerant in them. It's expensive! And evaporators seem to blow quite often. Worst case scenario I have seen is my grandparents got a brand new furnace in August of 2011, along with a new air handler, lines, and evaporator. Come spring of 2012, the AC wouldn't engage. I told them the previous winter I smelled something funny, and it turns out the evap failed and leaked out 18lbs of 410a. Carrier warrantied the evaporator, but charged $850 in refrigerant. While my car holds 26 ounces of 134a, I do not want to lose any of that either. You never know with parts, I guess. I was just hoping the new receiver/drier would not restrict flow or anything if aftermarket OEM.
 

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I got the "Air-Box" removed from the car, finally. I have a few questions. Is the seal on this supposed to be straight? It seals the air box to the air intake in on the car. Also in the photo, the styrofoam... uh gasket? has failed and is in pieces. It appears to be... eaten. Mice. The one for the top is fine. What options are there for this?

 

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The cowl fresh air intake seal foam should be glued into the recess.
The styrofoam often rotted out like this. The lower half was wet while the upper half stayed dry. How did the evap itself look?
I don't think there are mice unless you find a nest of insulation or excrement somewhere. Styrofoam doesn't taste so good, but it may be filling to a hungry little tummy.
The new evap should come with a new styrofoam or foam surround.
 

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Evaporator proved to be bad. A softball sized circle of oil was present in the middle of the evaporator, and I soaked it in a bucket of water for a while. When I dumped it out, a slight tinge of UV green was present in the water. I never put the connections under water, so I know oil never escaped that way. Will be replacing the Expansion Valve, Receiver/Drier, Evaporator, and all the seals in the system with parts from RockAuto, 4 Seasons is the manufacturer.

So the seal is supposed to fit around the opening, and not be askew like that? When it would rain, or I would go into the car wash, my climate system would smell strong of the soap used for a few days. Same with rain. I am hoping this will solve some issues. The blend doors and stuff are sealing and moving well when I manually actuate the cables.
 

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Update:

I removed all the refrigerant lines, compressor, evaporator and condenser. I have a new evaporator, seals, receiver/drier unit and expansion valve on the way. I only drained about 4 ounces of oil from the compressor, and an ounce or two MAX each for the evaporator and condenser.

When cleaning the condenser out, I accidentally got water directly into the connections to the condenser. I did cap them, but I blew one of them off with water. I blew it out with compressed air and made sure there was no more water, but is that enough? I hope vacuuming down the system will evaporate any remaining moisture. But I thought I would ask. Also, how much oil does this compressor hold? 4 ounces seems hardly any.
 

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The entire system only holds about 7 oz, so yes, 4 in the compressor, and about one each in the condenser, evaporator and lines.

Draw a vacuum for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours with a good pump, down to 29 inches or better, and all water should be removed.
 

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Thanks, bob. That is very helpful. I was getting things online about using dry nitrogen, etc. and it was looking scarily expensive. Would I have to vacuum down first, open up, add oil then vacuum down? Or can I add oil with water in the system?
 

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I would open it, blast all the liquid water you can get out of it with compressed air, then oil it, replace drier, close it all up, vacuum it for a long time, then recharge.
 

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Okay, sounds good. I am trying to get a good vacuum pump, but they are all rated in CFM. Does CFM determine how deep of a vacuum it can draw into? If so, what CFM is recommended? Thanks for all the help. I am almost done with this project, it has just been getting the money.
 

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CFM is vacuum pump volume. Inches of Hg is how deep it can draw a vacuum. There needs to be a refrigerant port on the suction side to add the A/C charge to an evacuated system.
 

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Thank you guys both. I already have purchased a can tap, and the exact gauges from your link. I found a vacuum pump that was by Robinaire for $80, a special on amazon.com that had the 1/2 acme fitting for those gauges, though. Interestingly enough, the harbor freight pump DOES NOT fit their own gauges without an adapter to 1/4.

My compressor is not original from factory, and is also not a genuine Mopar part. It is a Sanden model 4969, with a manufacture date of May 15, 2002. The oil it takes is sp-15, and the car's sticker states that it takes sp-10 oil. Is this a good compressor? And I would assume to use sp-15 because of the compressor, but will it cause problems for the rest of the AC components that use sp-10? Also, is this a reliable compressor to be using, and could having the wrong oil in the compressor cause problems? I am sure mechanics have been filling with sp-10 because of the label on the radiator and not the compressor.
 

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Oh I understand. Well it appears that sp-10 and sp-15 are the same as PAG 46. So I guess I am alright. The compressor seems sturdy. I shoved paper towels in the suction and discharge ports and cleaned the outside with brake parts cleaner so that I did not have any of that contamination and dirt fall into the compressor while putting back on the car. I will be having this assembled by Sunday. Excited for the car to be back!
 

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Update:

Well, the Cirrus is now finished. And all went better than expected in some ways, and others went much worse than necessary.

I purchased many parts from RockAuto.com, something that I will not do again. I ordered an evaporator, and the universal unit that everyone is also selling at big box part stores does not fit well. It is 2 inches shorter, and the lines are smaller. So you have to modify the unit in order to make it fit inside the HVAC box. Also, I bought a new expansion valve to go with it, since it is just common practice to replace the expansion valve when doing AC overhauls. The connector broke off INSIDE of the high pressure liquid line, and had to be forcefully removed, and a new expansion valve bought. I had to go to the dealer and get my new evaporator. They dropped the price $200 for me because it has sat in the back inside of a box since May of 2002, and they did not need it any longer, but I still put an unplanned $200 into the project. On the very positive side, the replacement dealer part came with brand new Styrofoam evaporator surrounds, something I had not been able to replace otherwise. Online part sites charge $300 each set of surrounds, so it was worth it. I also ended up replacing the condenser. Further investigation showed that it was sludged up inside, and I was not going to risk the compressor. Everything in the system but the compressor and hard lines were replaced. I blew out all old oils and replaced all seals, and put a new accumulator on. I discovered that the clutch was coming loose on the compressor, and I was able to tighten it before it fell off completely, and this quieted the clinking noise it made when the AC disengaged. I pulled the car down to a vacuum of -30 by running the pump for 6 hours, and then I left the gauges on for 24 additional hours while I worked on other parts of the car, verifying that it could hold vacuum. I also repaired the sensor on the liquid line. The three wires kept coming out of the connector, and I soldered them in, instead of crimping them. Apparently crimping does not work well for Chrysler plugs, and I expect I will need to do this to other connectors within the harness in the future.

Additionally, I discovered that my heater core was internally blocked. I took it off and was surprised that it continued to leak coolant. Upon continued flushes, it emptied out chunks of plastic, rubber, and coolant sludge. It took repetitive flushes, chemicals, and I heated the core over flame to boil out water. This caused the rest of the blockage to be pressurized and it shot out like a bazooka all over the kitchen wall! I did this until it quit blasting stuff out, and it appears to be cleaned out completely. I am pondering what to do about what could possibly be inside my engine block and radiator. I cleaned it out the best I could, and I have been flushing the system with water, and draining every few days to remove more sludge like material. I replaced the thermostat, and the engine seems to stay warmed up while I drive. A for sure on whether or not I have repaired my heater remains to be seen until winter. The engine holds A LOT of water even though you drain out the system. Does anyone know of a drain plug on the motor? If so, it would be nice so that I could replace the containing water with coolant before winter to avoid cracking the block.

I fixed multiple wiring issues, including my gauge cluster had a few burned out connections on the PCB board for the tachometer. I had to add copper wiring to the board, as most of the copper lands on the board in that general area had received so much current over time that they lifted up and split due to overload and excessive heat. I had an issue with the dimmer not working well, and I am still at a loss as to why it doesn't work. I disassembled and cleaned out the combo switch, but the dimmer feature does not work whatsoever. The dimmer switch is directly wired, and does not have any connections within the combo switch unit, it is just connected directly to the car's wiring via plugs on the combo switch.

I solved my EGR issue, though I need to solve the root cause. Oil is leaking from somewhere higher on the engine block above the EGR, but below the valve cover gasket. Oil had gotten between the EGR mating surfaces and metal gasket, and to the best of my assumptions, it would suck in the oil and mess up the readings when the computer energized the EGR. I currently have NO codes in the computer since battery reconnect. I usually have code 32 by now. I assume engine oil will fall down and get between the gasket and mating surface again, so I will need to locate the oil leak.

I did a transmission fluid drop and filter change. There were no abnormal materials on the magnet, and it appeared to have been done recently by the previous owner as there was not a lot of normal clutch material present. This leads me to believe that the hard shifting into drive problem will only get worse until the offending part fails, though it appears to be noticeably better than it was before. I am starting to look into the solenoid clutch pack, as the drive solenoid makes a different noise when engaging the transaxle when hot, and the reverse sounds strong and clean in comparison. Drive sounds weak and 'clacky', it doesn't seem to make the usual noise it makes when cold. I removed the transmission oil cooler when I replaced the condenser to verify that it was not plugged before putting it on the front of the new condenser.

All in all, The car was on jack stands since July 1st and this project repaired multiple problems. I still do not know where my water leak is in the trunk, but when it rains the spare tire well fills up with water. This happens when parked also, and I have removed the carpeting before and had a helper spray water all over the car. I never did find any leaks this way. This project cost me almost $700 dollars in parts and tools. The muffler needed replaced and registration was due by the 31st, so I also had that repair done in order to register the car this year. I saved an estimated $1,000+ in labor charges for all the work that I had done myself, so all the deep wounds in my arms are worth it. A shop would have charged time for it to sit in their bay while parts had to be ordered in, and I would have had a crappy evaporator installed anyway. Goes to show, there is a large difference in OEM Mopar parts and "OEM aftermarket" parts. Sometimes you can get away with it, such as the case with the condenser. But in most cases with this Chrysler, it needs to be genuine Mopar to even work right, forget about the fact it probably won't fit.

Thanks everyone for all their support and help in this project, and I now have a lot of knowledge in removing the dashboard and can answer questions in relation to this. Stupid enough, the upper intake manifold needs to be removed to allow clearance to access the heater hoses, and replace spark plugs. If anyone here has a wiring diagram on the interior light dimmer, that would be amazing. I need to find where the dimmer controller is if there is one, check for lose connections, etc . before condemning the switch and taking all the effort to open the combo switch again. Which is a complicated, spring-loaded process for all those willing to attempt. You will need a soldering iron and skills to use it.
 
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