Just because they are stamped steel, doesn't mean they need to be replaced anually. Poor design is the reason for that, and that can happen with any material and any process.UN4GTBL said:So no more crappy stamped steel suspension parts that need to be replaced annually?
And uhhh...who designs things poorly? I think I know the answer, but I just want to get this out in the open...JoshMHam said:Just because they are stamped steel, doesn't mean they need to be replaced anually. Poor design is the reason for that, and that can happen with any material and any process.
Yeah it's not so much the material that I was complaining aboutJoshMHam said:Just because they are stamped steel, doesn't mean they need to be replaced anually. Poor design is the reason for that, and that can happen with any material and any process.
Not so much that they were intending to screw any potential buyers for Chryslers--more like they were just shaking as much out of Chrysler as they could before dumping the corpse.Vulpine said:Sounds like Daimler tried to screw whoever intended to follow them in Chrysler ownership. Now Fiat either has to rebuild the old shop (and re-hire the old crew) or try to make their existing electronics division handle the task.
I vote for re-activating the old plant and shut Siemens out of the deal.
It was the mantra for the years that Dumbler was involved that outsourcing was the way to go. Look at Deco-Remy, Fisher Body, almost all electronics, Saginaw, axles. All became outside vendors that could sell to all manufacturers. Look at the Toledo Supplier Park. All created to eliminate manufacturer liabiliity and move those deveopment cost out of house. Did not work out well for anyone. Boeing outsourced a lot of the 787 development to outside vendors and what a nightmare. They are now bringing a lot of that back into the house. Just like Chrysler is doing too.freshforged said:Not so much that they were intending to screw any potential buyers for Chryslers--more like they were just shaking as much out of Chrysler as they could before dumping the corpse.
Yet the reason their planes are catching on fire is 100% engineered in house...and they still refuse to admit their design is fundamentally flawed.68RT said:Boeing outsourced a lot of the 787 development to outside vendors and what a nightmare. They are now bringing a lot of that back into the house. Just like Chrysler is doing too.
Not really IMO, the fact is that companies like Magneti Marelli, FPT, ELASIS, and COMAU are all part of the group, but even so you will see that contracts are awarded on a strictly competitive basis (MM just lost a lights contract to Hyunday, for example).Dave said:That said, yes, Mercedes then and now has an outsourcing mentality. Fiat has an insourcing mentality.
I can see both sides of the issue, but I lament the passing of the engineering brain trust which was lost at Air Temp, New Process and Detroit Axle. Those were Chrysler stalwarts which led the industry and set the bar for others to follow. GM, Ford Jeep and International all used New Process transfer cases back in the day and up til Daimler spun off New Venture.RVC said:Not really IMO, the fact is that companies like Magneti Marelli, FPT, ELASIS, and COMAU are all part of the group, but even so you will see that contracts are awarded on a strictly competitive basis (MM just lost a lights contract to Hyunday, for example).
The Multiair component for example isn't manufactured in-house, but outsourced.
IF they can't find a supplier that bids within the budget or spec parameters, then they will go in-house.
that my friend, I wholerheartedly agree with.MoparNorm said:I can see both sides of the issue, but I lament the passing of the engineering brain trust which was lost at Air Temp, New Process and Detroit Axle. Those were Chrysler stalwarts which led the industry and set the bar for others to follow. GM, Ford Jeep and International all used New Process transfer cases back in the day and up til Daimler spun off New Venture.