[MoparNorm]

Virtually zero jounce and rebound.
In laymen's terms, the front tire in the picture doesn't have enough up-travel to allow the rear tire to remain in contact with the ground.
Traction control keeps the vehicle moving forward, but the lack of suspension travel is making the vehicle very unstable and isn't allowing the cabin to remain level, or on an even keel.
Driver's front wheel should be pushing down to prevent that tilt, passenger's front tire should have up-traveled into the wheel well and passenger's rear should have enough travel to remain in contact with the ground.
What you see here is a total fail of the suspension articulation. Typical of short travel IS.

 

[68RT]

And that had to be a very interesting ride. I would not think of that as much fun.

 

[MoparNorm]

And that had to be a very interesting ride. I would not think of that as much fun.

Very tippy.
Who wants to be the first test driver to roll the KL...

 

[MoparStu]

You cant do that in an Escape! or a CR-V or a Tucson.....

 

[Dave Z]

As noted in the article.

since on the one hand serious off-roaders will immediately see and point out the lack of suspension articulation

It even shows up in the excerpt!

 

[MoparNorm]

You cant do that in an Escape! or a CR-V or a Tucson.....

Do what? Traverse the Runicon ,or hike a wheel two feet in the air?
As noted above, the traction control makes it all possible, however the suspension is not flattering.

 

[Mike V.]

Do what? Traverse the Runicon ,or hike a wheel two feet in the air?
As noted above, the traction control makes it all possible, however the suspension is not flattering.

While you are absolutely right, given the position the vehicle is in on that specific obstacle, it probably still could have three wheeled even if it had more overall suspension travel.

The electronics are very very impressive. While not pretty to the average Jeeper, the pics will impress the average person and give a good impression that the Cherokee is indeed still a "Jeep" and that's not a bad thing.

It's one of those things, it's great news to see it there and getting the job done. PR wise, that's not a bad thing. I understand your position 100% though.

Mike

 

[Dave Z]

Are you saying a CR-V can traverse that same path? Because I rather doubt it would end up in the same condition at the end. Yes, the Cherokee ended up in some odd positions, but it made it to the end, without much visible damage.

Mike V said it better than I did, though.

 

[Mike V.]

Are you saying a CR-V can traverse that same path? Because I rather doubt it would end up in the same condition at the end. Yes, the Cherokee ended up in some odd positions, but it made it to the end, without much visible damage.

And that is huge... Because in the world of social media people are seeing the pics and the impression is all "Jeep".

Mike

 

[CDJSalesPro]

I wish this was video....... I am willing to bet even the Rubicon behind this Trailhawk would also lift its rear right tire if it takes the exact same path as this Jeep did.


Note the diffrence in lift of the the Trailhawk that went down the the right way.......

 

[Dave Z]

Meanwhile comments on the Facebook page are along the lines of "My Impala could do that."

Yeah, it could do some of it, if you didn't mind tearing open your gas tank and leaving your exhaust system on the first rock, and you didn't care if you finished the trail.

 

[Mike V.]

Meanwhile comments on the Facebook page are along the lines of "My Impala could do that."

Yeah, it could do some of it, if you didn't mind tearing open your gas tank and leaving your exhaust system on the first rock, and you didn't care if you finished the trail.

Or care about the trail itself! A good Impala, LR, or FJ owner always brings plenty of fluid clean up material for the Rubicon. The odds of them spilling vehicular fluids is much higher :lol:

Mike

 

[SouthPawXJ]

The internet has a surprising number of people who have incredible driving abilities or lifted Impalas...

The traction control on this vehicle is phenomenal. Even if you take the bypasses, the Rubicon is still a difficult trail (from everything I have seen/read; I've never driven the Rubicon).

 

[MoparNorm]

" Note the diffrence in lift of the the Trailhawk that went down the the right way......."

They both took the same line, they are in different locations in their respective photos.
And no, the Rubicon did not lift a tire at this location, it has solid axles and sway bar disconnects...for a reason.

 

[JRS200x]

There are some rather out of place looking rock formations in that picture... almost as if aliens had come down and placed them there. It must be a sign.

That or Jeep did it to make it easier

 

[Dave Z]

Ever been to Utah or Colorado?

 

[dakrt99]

You have to at least appreciate Jeep finding out what the Cherokee can do. They are doing the best they can with what they had to work with. I wonder if the class leaders (sales wise) could do the same path and finish in similar condition and without much help?

 

[CDJSalesPro]

" Note the diffrence in lift of the the Trailhawk that went down the the right way......."

They both took the same line, they are in different locations in their respective photos.
And no, the Rubicon did not lift a tire at this location, it has solid axles and sway bar disconnects...for a reason.

From what I am looking at the line of the black trailhawk is diffrent as it was inside and avoided rolling over the lager rock......


You know this how? Perhaps you were there?Do you have some video that we havent seen?

Even with solid axles and sway bar dissconect Rubicons also can lift a tire.....

Is the Trailhawk as capable a s Wrangler Rubicon?.....of course not.....and I highly doubt anyone that purchases it expects it to be so.

 

[Mike V.]

From what I am looking at the line of the black trailhawk is diffrent as it was inside and avoided rolling over the lager rock......

You know this how? Perhaps you were there?Do you have some video that we havent seen?

Even with solid axles and sway bar dissconect Rubicons also can lift a tire.....

Is the Trailhawk as capable a s Wrangler Rubicon?.....of course not.....and I highly doubt anyone that purchases it expects it to be so.

I'm going to defend Norm a bit here... The issue is not that it did three wheel, the issue is the distance of the wheel to the ground while three wheeled.

Because the overall travel of the suspension is limited, the a larger height for the vehicle tripod is much more possible. This height puts the vehicle at a larger angle... Thus putting the vehicle in a possible position to rollover situation.

Norm's point is quite valid but, I think we have made lemonade with his lemons already though. The electronics are fantastic and clearly class leading. The pictures will give lots of credit to the Cherokee for the average buyer.

Mike