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If they give it a diesel for foreign markets they better sell them back in the states with one...
Like they do for the new Jeep Cherokee?AJ_Schreiber said:If they give it a diesel for foreign markets they better sell them back in the states with one...
Wonder if that will give more rear head room?69DartGTS said:
DART is running with Travis P.Beentherebefore said:"as Dodge is re-cast as a muscle brand — rather than running away from Charger, Challenger, and such, Dodge might be set...."
Hard to recast yourself as a "muscle brand" when Dodge has withdrawn from all bigtime US racing series, other than NHRA.
No Dodges in the Nascar Cup series
No competitive Dodges in the Nascar NWS series
No competitive Dodges in the Nascar Truck series, despite the fact that the Dodge RAM truck is their #1 seller.
No competitive Dodges in the Nascar K & N or modified series (except for some powered by "Brand "C" spec motors)
No competitive Dodge powered sprint cars or Outlaws cars.
No competitive Dodge trucks or Dodge powered trucks in the bigtime offroad series.
No Dodge motors powering any IRL cars which is the #2 US race series after Nascar.
Spectators at these series total up to several hundred thousand most summer weekends plus millions more watching on TV. How many of them are going to be buying into Dodge being recast as a "muscle brand" when there are no Dodges to be found in major league US racing?
I'm taking away a different message from the "Dodge being recast as a muscle brand" statement. All seven of the racing examples cited above are predominantly US only. Active participation in most of these would mean nothing to the international stage - which was supposed to be the point of the recasting post.Beentherebefore said:"as Dodge is re-cast as a muscle brand — rather than running away from Charger, Challenger, and such, Dodge might be set...."
Hard to recast yourself as a "muscle brand" when Dodge has withdrawn from all bigtime US racing series, other than NHRA.
No Dodges in the Nascar Cup series
No competitive Dodges in the Nascar NWS series
No competitive Dodges in the Nascar Truck series, despite the fact that the Dodge RAM truck is their #1 seller.
No competitive Dodges in the Nascar K & N or modified series (except for some powered by "Brand "C" spec motors)
No competitive Dodge powered sprint cars or Outlaws cars.
No competitive Dodge trucks or Dodge powered trucks in the bigtime offroad series.
No Dodge motors powering any IRL cars which is the #2 US race series after Nascar.
Spectators at these series total up to several hundred thousand most summer weekends plus millions more watching on TV. How many of them are going to be buying into Dodge being recast as a "muscle brand" when there are no Dodges to be found in major league US racing?
Most people will remember the commercials, but not the company. Take a poll and see how many remember.TripleT said:Maybe just buying NFL commercial really is the best bang for the dollar.
Yes, the Dart is running in Rally-X but is it getting it's butt kicked almost every race. You are not going to project a "performance" image if you are consistently the patsie of the racing series. Yes, they are doing well in NHRA, but that is all Mopar sponsored and labeled. Why not the same applying to USAC, sprint cars and Outlaws? IndyLight and SCCA are strictly smalltime with almost as many participants as spectators. Dodge/Mopar needs to be racing in the MAJOR US racing series to get the desired performance publicity. Frankly, as a Dodge/Mopar fan, I don't care what body they use or what motors they are providing, as long as they get out there in the most popular US racing series and mix it up with the big dogs. That means Nascar (including trucks), NHRA, IRL, Outlaws & Sprint cars, and major off road like the Dakar rally.TripleT said:DART is running with Travis P.
They are Kicking butt in NHRA.
IRL has not existed since ChampCar folded up and the series Merged freeing IMS to reuse Indycar name again.
Since Nascar washed out the Identity there is not really any brand advantage to that Motorsports Entertainment series. Without Penske making Engines that series is a hard re-entry with minimal advantage over a sports commercial buy.
Dodge was never really associated with USAC or WoO it was always Mopar, but I always like when they are involved.
SCCA and Barber is a good place to get involved.
Currently the IndyLight package is out to bid for there new car, Chevy, Honda, Mazda, and a couple others have made proposal. Not heard anything from Dodge.
Now SRT did sponsor the Baltimore Event. Where Dodge would go to get that affordable muscle demographic? SCCA?
Maybe just buying NFL commercial really is the best bang for the dollar.
Are they exporting Charger down under?con383 said:two words V8 Supercar racing. I can see a Charger racing then i will buy one ,
They said there would be wagon and lift gate notch back.... this looks like the wagon.M.O.D. said:![]()
spy pics from QUATTRORUOTE of Dart/Viaggio Hatchback
I'd say its a notchback: angular liftgate w/ short rr-overhang. If they are gonna do a wagon (for utility) I would hope they wouldn't waiste time/money to sacrifice cargo space and usability in such manner.TripleT said:They said there would be wagon and lift gate notch back.... this looks like the wagon.
I am sure the American worker would have no problem building kits that are exported as Fiats instead of Dodge![]()