Ahh, yeah, i see it now: but said Ram was following GM and Ford’s lead. I think I scimmed to quickly the first time and that part didn't register.Stratuscaster said:Read the article - Ford, GM, and Ram all opted to not publish the SAE J2807 numbers as Toyota has. Ford says they'll do it in 2015. Ram says essentially that "until Ford does it, we'll wait, too."
At least they have numbers for the standard, although if it wouldn't affect the numbers much as they have said I don't know why they wouldn't just use them.AutoTechnician said:What a poor attitude on Ram's part. They should be leaders, not followers.
No, shame on Ford for backing out of an agreement AFTER Toyota and GM already published their numbers.AutoTechnician said:What a poor attitude on Ram's part. They should be leaders, not followers.
EXACTLY!!!Erik Latranyi said:No, shame on Ford for backing out of an agreement AFTER Toyota and GM already published their numbers.
Ford should be exposed for this by Ram and GM via advertising. Throw in a Ford Raptor that bent after being used "as advertised".
..and then Ford blasts Ram for also not following the standards. Shame on everyone. Everyone but Ford following the standards would have looked awfully bad on Ford's part.Erik Latranyi said:No, shame on Ford for backing out of an agreement AFTER Toyota and GM already published their numbers.
Ford should be exposed for this by Ram and GM via advertising. Throw in a Ford Raptor that bent after being used "as advertised".
That's just weird to me. Years ago a friend needed help loading and hauling a fuselage-era C-body wagon to a junkyard. Granted, no motor or transmission, but it was bodily complete. There was probably 6500lb in cargo and trailer behind his '00 Ram 1500 sport regular cab short bed and it didn't wheeze or struggle with that load. It was just a 5.9L with A518 and a limited slip differential...Red-JK said:My bother and I were talking about towing with our respective trucks the other day. He has a F150 King Ranch with a 5.4 in it, and he has issues hitting 55 in a headwind towing his 4500lbs camper. He can't hit 65 at all. He gets 5 to 6 hwy mpg towing. My Ram 1550 Big Horn Hemi pulls my 5500 lbs camper without any problems in any situation. My RAM returns 14/15 hwy mpg towing.
He was thinking he needed a F250 to pull his camper. I told him he needed a MOPAR. We need a standard rating across the board.
This is a good point. I remember when the revised SAE power ratings came about. The "Japan big 3" had to lower the listed numbers on most of their cars. Chrysler saw improved numbers are a fair number of theirs. The thing is, it didn't stop people from asking what changes occurred in the car, it had to be frequently explained that nothing was physically different. Ford in turn, especially if their numbers drop severely (I suspect they would) would have a hard time getting people to understand the it's the same truck as before. This may even give them an opportunity to make improvements for the next truck to lessen the impact of the dropped numbers. I still think it's shady. The Ram is just a freakin fantastic truck. It has been quite consistently so for a while. I'd say it's only Achilles heal is the general feeling about the Chrysler transmission (And to be fair, it's not completely unearned). But other than that, they are darned good trucksjoe_ said:I could be wrong, but what this tells me is, Ford doesn't want people to see the difference in numbers between their current testing standards and the SAE standards. The 2015 F150 is an all-new truck, and by switching to the SAE standard for that model year, the tow ratings can't be compared to the old truck with the old standards.
I had to re-read that section a few times - I think the article was worded poorly. It seems like more emphasis was placed on stating that Ram was only delaying the switch because GM and Ford were delaying rather than making sure it was clearly worded.
I can blame them, because it is dirty pool, and I don't care whether it's legal. Bad is what bad does.I can't blame Ford for pulling out, it may be dirty pool, but it's legal.