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Which begs the question..."what am I really getting when I opt for a Dart GT over one of the other Dart models?" :huh:
Basically what we've known for a while now: Better suspension and 24 HP. It just seems like a wasted effort honestly, especially with an entire year of delays. If it had ~210HP, or even just 200, it'd seem a lot more viable to me. I'll wait for reviews with measured times and data to make final judgement though.Stratuscaster said:Which begs the question..."what am I really getting when I opt for a Dart GT over one of the other Dart models?" :huh:
I was thinking the same thing! Add 17HP and knock off 2MPG and go after the Civic Si.AutoTechnician said:Basically what we've known for a while now: Mildly firmer suspension and 24 HP. It just seems like a wasted effort honestly, especially with a years worth of delays. If it had ~210HP, or even just 200, it'd seem a lot more viable to me. I'll wait for reviews with measured times and data to make final judgement though.
The base 2.0 runs out of steam pretty quickly. It feels fast, IMHO, but it isn't! Slowest engine of the bunch. Perfectly adequate for 90% of buyers, though. Really. How many people really need to do 0-60 runs that fast? How many people buy powerful cars and never tip the accelerator past the first 10 degrees?Which begs the question..."what am I really getting when I opt for a Dart GT over one of the other Dart models?"
What offense? I wrote exactly that. I know feel is subjective. I didn't remember to take along my OBDII based measurement kit. I'm not sure Chrysler would appreciate my doing that anywayNo offense, Dave, but "feel" is somewhat subjective.
I had the chance to drive one of those first ones produced, I also spotted a fit and finish flaw in that vehicle.Mr.Source said:The most important changes for us are in the suspension, we are having new settings, new components, the car is better isolated and we are having a much better fit and finish.
Some changes and improvements were made at the plant, and speaking about the benefits we are having from the new engine I can tell you almst the same of what we had in the previous post, but I will add this, the car feels and is much more powerful at highway speeds, you have the power you love to have at higher speeds, it's another car, just drive it, and if you ever drove one of the first ones produced you'll know what I'm talking about.
Why couldn't there be a GT and a GTS?dakrt99 said:What ever happened to the Dart GTS? That should be the GT.
That, I can agree with. Too many times the purposeful marking of a performance option has been done as a graphics marking only, get back to the roots. They worked once, should easily work again.Dr. Z said:Or a GT and a (historically inaccurate) R/T.
I'd really like to see Ralph bring R/T back, and I don't mean as a slight improvement over Luxo trim.
The current Dart GTS Tribute was, as I recall, more or less a "rolling Mopar Accessories advertisment exercise."dakrt99 said:What ever happened to the Dart GTS? That should be the GT.
Yes, using the former R/T, now GT, as its base. If you recall correctly, Mopar claimed performance parts that would lend to over 200HP. But like the R/T, none of those parts have shown up.Stratuscaster said:The current Dart GTS Tribute was, as I recall, more or less a "rolling Mopar Accessories advertisment exercise."
Nor would I expect them to, until the issues with the GT itself were sorted out first.Mike V. said:Yes, using the former R/T, now GT, as its base. If you recall correctly, Mopar claimed performance parts that would lend to over 200HP. But like the R/T, none of those parts have shown up.