I would guess that you will only see the 3.0L in countries that place a tax on engines being larger than 3.0L. The US will stick with the 3.2L and 3.6L engines.jimboy said:I don't know if the new '200' or Flavia will get the 3.2 or the 3.0 liter? Would they drop the 3.0 into the Lancia and give the Chrysler a 3.2?
It will do fine in China where there is no 3.0 V6 diesel. But in Europe it'll go against 3.0 V6 diesel with much more torque down low.Mike V. said:Fascinating. I see this engine being huge in Europe and China.
Mike
Wow. Considering that gas is higher than diesel in Europe, I really shouldn't be surprised by this, but no gasoline versions sold?!Bran said:It will do fine in China where there is no 3.0 V6 diesel. But in Europe it'll go against 3.0 V6 diesel with much more torque down low.
German pricing:
2014 Laredo 3.0 diesel 190 HP, 325 ft lb - 45,000 euros
2014 Laredo 3.6 pentastar 286 HP, 260 ft lb - 46,500 euros
2014 Limited 3.0 diesel 250 HP, 420 ft lb - 52,900 euros
2014 Limited 3.6 pentastar 286 HP, 260 ft lb - 50,900 euros
http://jeep.de/download/pdf/2013051669_JE_EG_Preisliste_Grand_Cherokee.pdf
I don't know how much they can cut the price for the 3.0 V6 Pentastar against the 3.6, but 210 ft lb is really bad for such a heavy vehicle. And IIRC, in Germany, for the month of May or June, there were no gasoline Grand Cherokees sold.
Isn't the 3.0 twin turboed for the Ghibli?..and it's going to produce something like 400hp?srt4evah said:Is the 3.0 Pentastar missing some key tech that the 3.2 and 3.6 offer? Surprising how low the power output is, there's got to be more to it than just displacement. The 0.2L advantage in the 3.2L Pentastar has to have more going for it in order to provide 41hp and 29lb/ft of torque over the 3.0L.
So the Pentastar lineup looks like this:
3.0L = 230hp/210tq
3.2L = 271hp/239tq
3.6L = 305hp/269tq (in best configuration available)
That really is awesome, right?dak4x4 said:Exporting a USA made engine to China. :thumbsup:
I think there is more to the story that includes taxation. Larger displacement engines get taxed differently in Europe. While diesel is great and I wish we had more of it here, there is still a huge gasoline market in Europe.Bran said:It will do fine in China where there is no 3.0 V6 diesel. But in Europe it'll go against 3.0 V6 diesel with much more torque down low.
German pricing:
2014 Laredo 3.0 diesel 190 HP, 325 ft lb - 45,000 euros
2014 Laredo 3.6 pentastar 286 HP, 260 ft lb - 46,500 euros
2014 Limited 3.0 diesel 250 HP, 420 ft lb - 52,900 euros
2014 Limited 3.6 pentastar 286 HP, 260 ft lb - 50,900 euros
http://jeep.de/download/pdf/2013051669_JE_EG_Preisliste_Grand_Cherokee.pdf
I don't know how much they can cut the price for the 3.0 V6 Pentastar against the 3.6, but 210 ft lb is really bad for such a heavy vehicle. And IIRC, in Germany, for the month of May or June, there were no gasoline Grand Cherokees sold.
Thought it was 450BASONE88 said:Isn't the 3.0 twin turboed for the Ghibli?..and it's going to produce something like 400hp?
Agree, but this 3.0 desperately needs DI and at least one turbo (for a big and heavy 4x4 application). I think it would be acceptable in the Euro Lancia Thema (Chrysler 300) with an 8 speed, although a 2.0 turbo would be better.Mike V. said:I think there is more to the story that includes taxation. Larger displacement engines get taxed differently in Europe. While diesel is great and I wish we had more of it here, there is still a huge gasoline market in Europe.
Mike
In China? IDK I will have to do some investigation.Erik Latranyi said:Am I correct that displacements larger than 3.0 have higher annual registration fees?
So which old V6 engine did this replace since there are no old V6 engines?The Mad Duck said:All "Old V-6's are Now Gone!
From Automotive News:
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130830/OEM01/130839987/chrysler-retires-an-old-engine-all-v-6s-now-are-pentastars&cciid=email-autonews-daily&r=3771D6126356D8M#axzz2dUQ1jmsw
A Quote: " Chrysler began production of the Pentastar engine family in March 2010. It's now used in 16 models in 11 segments."
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20130830/OEM01/130839987/chrysler-retires-an-old-engine;-all-v-6s-now-are-pentastars#ixzz2dUR2ABty
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I Saw the 1st of the 3.0L's go down the Assy. Line at Trenton Before I Left at the End of March.
TMD
Yes sir, that's why I made the comments above.Erik Latranyi said:Am I correct that displacements larger than 3.0 have higher annual registration fees?
What "big and heavy 4x4"?Bran said:Agree, but this 3.0 desperately needs DI and at least one turbo (for a big and heavy 4x4 application). I think it would be acceptable in the Euro Lancia Thema (Chrysler 300) with an 8 speed, although a 2.0 turbo would be better.
Although the Maserati's engine block clearly is a pentastar derivative, the 3.0 Maserati and the 3.0 Pentastar are not the same engine.BASONE88 said:Isn't the 3.0 twin turboed for the Ghibli?..and it's going to produce something like 400hp?