You are ignoring rules and regulations. It's not "relatively easy".dakrt99 said:To be absolutely honest, I don't like the idea of "cheating" to get more power. I would rather see a NA Hyper-Viper versus a supercharged Hyper-Viper. IMO, not going to happen, just a feeling. Uncork the big V10 and see what falls out - 700+, relatively easy. To me, the finest cars ever built (F40 notwithstanding) are powered by a honest-to-goodness naturally engine. No boost please.
That is why relatively is in parentheses. I am quite aware of the regulations. I've been a member since 2005, I know the routine. I knew someone was going to lecture me about that, jeez. Relatively was in parentheses, I made it clear.Mike V. said:You are ignoring rules and regulations. It's not "relatively easy".
Mike
He quoted your "relatively easy" in it's entirety. As if to say it isn't easy at all. Because it's not even relatively easy. It's already an expensive car, you want to know what they came up with? 640. It's likely fair to say that their darn close to what would be a reasonable cap accounting for regulations and durability and all of the above. Squeezing out another 60 could be done, but at what expense - to what pay off?dakrt99 said:That is why relatively is in parentheses. I am quite aware of the regulations. I've been a member since 2005, I know the routine. I knew someone was going to lecture me about that, jeez. Relatively was in parentheses, I made it clear.
If I wanted to give you a lecture, I would haved channeled my inner Mr. Sheaves.dakrt99 said:That is why relatively is in parentheses. I am quite aware of the regulations. I've been a member since 2005, I know the routine. I knew someone was going to lecture me about that, jeez. Relatively was in parentheses, I made it clear.
Cheating? What's cheating about using the latest and greatest science and technology to create an incredible machine? Was the Model T "cheating" when it beat out the horse and buggy as a mode of transportation? Of course not!dakrt99 said:To be absolutely honest, I don't like the idea of "cheating" to get more power. I would rather see a NA Hyper-Viper versus a supercharged Hyper-Viper. IMO, not going to happen, just a feeling. Uncork the big V10 and see what falls out - 700+, relatively easy. To me, the finest cars ever built (F40 notwithstanding) are powered by a honest-to-goodness naturally engine. No boost please.
The Gen V engine comes with forged internals already. probably not the kind you'd see in one of the crazy 1000+ hp Vipers out there, but from what I hear, it will handle a little boost pretty well.Muther said:Though I prefer NA engines to any type of boosted or forced induction engines, horsepower is horsepower. NA just sounds better to me. I don't like the SC whoosh, or the turbo sound. I like the sound of NA engines. Though, I'll admit, the tappet tappeta of a wastegate dumping is quite cool to hear.
THe hard part, I am swag'ing, would be getting it to meet warranty. 700+hp is a loooooooot of juice. Its gotta be hard on rods, pins, pistons and such.
Agreed.kdaviper said:The Gen V engine comes with forged internals already. probably not the kind you'd see in one of the crazy 1000+ hp Vipers out there, but from what I hear, it will handle a little boost pretty well.
Maybe so, but would it pass emissions? Is it worth the cost of admission?dana44 said:Let me at it. I can easily pull another 60hp out of the heads and it woudn't require any computer alteration at all.
MIke, it will smog, and cleaner than before, and I will put good money on the fact the ports themselves are in pretty good shape as far as port match, but like I said, I can easily pull the 60hp out of the heads with a little work, especially when I pulled 75hp out of a nasty 4.9 Cadillac engine, and not only did it smog cleaner than any previous time in history, but it also ran cooler in traffic and had a major increase in mileage. Now, with this engine and the fact I haven't seen the new head itself, going from the appearance of the old head, yeah, I know for a fact I can get that little bit everyone is asking for real quickly.Mike V. said:Maybe so, but would it pass emissions? Is it worth the cost of admission?
Sure you may be able to get more HP out of it, but thinner walls in the ports could effect longevity of the head.
It's easy to forget there is a fine line that must be followed.
Mike
Who is going to pay for all the R&D work and testing? We can't just give you a set of heads and say go to town simply on a word of mouth guarantee.dana44 said:MIke, it will smog, and cleaner than before, and I will put good money on the fact the ports themselves are in pretty good shape as far as port match, but like I said, I can easily pull the 60hp out of the heads with a little work, especially when I pulled 75hp out of a nasty 4.9 Cadillac engine, and not only did it smog cleaner than any previous time in history, but it also ran cooler in traffic and had a major increase in mileage. Now, with this engine and the fact I haven't seen the new head itself, going from the appearance of the old head, yeah, I know for a fact I can get that little bit everyone is asking for real quickly.
That's my point actually, supercharging or turbo charging could be the best bang for the buck for SRT. Either way, there is tons of R&D costs, emissions testing costs, crash testing, durability testing costs, warranty determination, lawyers, and assembly line changes a that all much be addressed. It all adds up!JRS200x said:No, it wouldn't Mike. Supercharging is the best and smartest route for them. The early power figures are ridiculous... they will tone them down though.