[JavelinAMX]

This. Even if the DSRT is as good as the Evo, STi it will still be a much better place to "live" in..... not sure how many on here have ever been in a Evo or STi but talk about bargain basement interiors and overly harsh rides.

But Moparian ... they were Street Legal .

Not sure WRC had homolgation thresholds. I'm merely assuming they did.

 

[Moparian]

But Moparian ... they were Street Legal .

Not sure WRC had homolgation thresholds. I'm merely assuming they did.

What does that have to do with anything? They were based upon the Impreza and Lancer which shared the same garbage interiors. The NSRT and CSRT were the same way, however they were less than $25k. The base Dart has an interior light years ahead of what Mitsu and Subaru offer in their entry level cars so a DSRT would already be ahead of the game without the typical SRT interior upgrade.

 

[JavelinAMX]

What does that have to do with anything? They were based upon the Impreza and Lancer which shared the same garbage interiors. The NSRT and CSRT were the same way, however they were less than $25k. The base Dart has an interior light years ahead of what Mitsu and Subaru offer in their entry level cars so a DSRT would already be ahead of the game without the typical SRT interior upgrade.

The ones I have seen on the street - especially the Evo's - had Recaro's and other interior helps.
I've only heard that the Dart has a nice interior; and I wouldn't doubt an owner's word.

 

[Moparian]

The ones I have seen on the street - especially the Evo's - had Recaro's and other interior helps.
I've only heard that the Dart has a nice interior; and I wouldn't doubt an owner's word.

Nice seats but thats about it. Subaru has improved the interiors a bit on the current WRX/STi but still lags behind the Dart and Mazda 3.

 

[JavelinAMX]

Nice seats but thats about it. Subaru has improved the interiors a bit on the current WRX/STi but still lags behind the Dart and Mazda 3.

That's interesting. I like the Mazda 3's I've seen. I'll take your word on the separation between Mazda and Dart over Subaru and Lancer.

{ Even though I favor Chrysler stuff, to me it's a shame Evo has breathed its last - also, haven't seen a Mazdaspeed3 lately, either}.

 

[keithwwalker]

FCA can definitely do this, they just have to sell it in Europe as well - as a Lancia Integrale.
Who do you think originated the AWD 300hp homologation special?

 

[srt4evah]

6 month old thread, but I don't see anything new on the Dart SRT. Any new rumors or speculation?

Ford pricing "leaked" recently on the RS, $35,730, 345HP AWD. Gives the Dart SRT some more "focus" I would assume...

 

[Moparian]

6 month old thread, but I don't see anything new on the Dart SRT. Any new rumors or speculation?

Ford pricing "leaked" recently on the RS, $35,730, 345HP AWD. Gives the Dart SRT some more focus I would assume...

Pretty sure the DSRT is dead as we know it. Probably wont see light of day until it switches to the Alfa platform and moves RWD. They could do it as a last hurrah before the new model debuts but I doubt it.

 

[Dave Z]

Agreed. Ford nailed that coffin tight. No business model will let them do it.

I disagree about WRX at least. Last one I was in was quite some time ago but it was very nice for the period.

 

[Guest]

I don't know. It seems dead on the web, as any articles out there are from late Spring/early Summer 2014...but the insider news, as we can see on Allpar in the Dart section, has commentary that shows the SRT version to still be in play. Even mentioning that Gilles is talking an AWD version...of the car itself, not necessarily an AWD SRT version.

I'd say any delay in it's launch had to do more with the 'what to do with SRT as a brand' question, and not the fact that FCA didn't plan on bringing a hot version of the Dart to market. I bet we'll see one at the end of 2016 and if it is priced right, say between 25 and 30K, they'll have a winner. Viper and SRT Dart...good bookends for the performance division.

 

[Moparian]

I don't know. It seems dead on the web, as any articles out there are from late Spring/early Summer 2014...but the insider news, as we can see on Allpar in the Dart section, has commentary that shows the SRT version to still be in play. Even mentioning that Gilles is talking an AWD version...of the car itself, not necessarily an AWD SRT version.

I'd say any delay in it's launch had to do more with the 'what to do with SRT as a brand' question, and not the fact that FCA didn't plan on bringing a hot version of the Dart to market. I bet we'll see one at the end of 2016 and if it is priced right, say between 25 and 30K, they'll have a winner. Viper and SRT Dart...good bookends for the performance division.

The car exists.... hidden away somewhere in Auburn Hills if it hasnt been scrapped already. It has nothing to do with SRT as a brand, but the cost. Dodge doesnt have a AWD system that can perform up to SRT standards.

 

[Dave Z]

I need to update the Dart section

 

[dakrt99]

The car exists.... hidden away somewhere in Auburn Hills if it hasnt been scrapped already. It has nothing to do with SRT as a brand, but the cost. Dodge doesnt have a AWD system that can perform up to SRT standards.

Use whatever AWD system the Focus RS is using or the AMG. There is an awd system that can handle the power, it's not an engineering impossibility. The awd system in the GT-R handles 600HP. I'm not directing my frustration at you, just tired of excuses to not go big like they did with the Hellcat. At some point FCA is going to have to get bold and take big risks. Sorry, just annoyed that outside of the Hellcat and ACR, there is nothing that revs my engine. Just how I feel.

 

[dana44]

OK, how about moving away from the turbo and go blower? I know turbos and 4 cylinders work well, but the same problem exists with the 4 cylinder engine, you have to wind them up to get any power out of them, and by then, if the competition is a little quicker on the pedal and spool-up, game over. I know Whipple has done several with the PT Cruisers, back when they were hot, but has anyone considered using one instead of turbo? A whole lot less heat under the hood, fuel injection deletes the backfire through the carb/TB blowing a blower off the engine, and actually better fuel mileage given the power occurs at lower rpm ranges thus less rpm thus less fuel used, and oh, so much more fun overall. It would also improve the warranty ability from the factory, all the Neon SRT-4 turbo mods and strength components would easily be integrated into a blower 4cylinder engine, the power is a lot smoother, something new from what the competition has.

 

[Mike V.]

Use whatever AWD system the Focus RS is using or the AMG. There is an awd system that can handle the power, it's not an engineering impossibility. The awd system in the GT-R handles 600HP. I'm not directing my frustration at you, just tired of excuses to not go big like they did with the Hellcat. At some point FCA is going to have to get bold and take big risks. Sorry, just annoyed that outside of the Hellcat and ACR, there is nothing that revs my engine. Just how I feel.

You just can't use whatever system is out there.

• Can it be connected to the PTO on the 9 speed?
• What connection components/housings need made to facilitate the connection to the nine speed?
• Is there a place to mount the transfer case from the PTO to the rear wheels?
• Do you need a new castings to mount it to back of the engine? Is there even enough room to mount it behind the engine? Is it bigger than the AMM unit used on the Cherokee? If so then you have change the firewall and floor to accommodate the size.
• Is the rear differential small enough to fit? How does it mount? If it is bigger than the AMM unit or mounts differently than major floor modifications will have to be done. What about suspension? Bid the axle setup is different than the Cherokee then different hubs and/spindles will need to be used.
• Then there is programming... It will clearly have different programming because it is difference components. Who is doing this?

If only it was as easy as saying, just use the system from the Focus RS. If Chrysler does not have a product that fits your desires, then feel free to find a vehicle that suits your tastes.

There are no excuses, only reality.

Mike

 

[Stratuscaster]

Then there's that whole "paying for it" thing.

 

[Mallard]

Unless SRT has a product that will beat an RS, STi... don't bother. It can't be a "me too!". It has to be on top, period. It has to have bragging rights. It has to, despite being a Dodge, domestic, whatever-slight-thrown-at-it, kick [I should have my mouth washed out with soap for using such terms], bar none.

I actually disagree. Why jump straight from a 180 HP 2.4L GT model to a 360+HP AWD powerhouse? Is there nothing in-between? Why must it beat the RS and not the ST?

The SRT 392 and SRT Hellcat have proven that there can be two levels of SRT potency. I think an ST or Golf R "beater" is a necessity. An RS competitor is a nice to have buzz model, but now you're talking about a Dart that costs almost as much as a Charger Scat Pack.

 

[Dave Z]

They don't have to badge it SRT, either.

 

[somber]

They don't have to badge it SRT, either.

Exactly. I know of at least one sale they'd have for a FWD Dart R/T with 250ish HP.

 

[BigDaddySRT]

There seems to be one single thing that everyone seems to forget.

Everything that SRT does is engineered to take a beating and keep on ticking... And unfortunately, the DART can't survive SRT.