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I have to say our Toluca Neon had better paint than Belvidere Neons of the same year (1994) but they switched over to the modular clutch later, and that was a problem, though only after a dealer put his greasy mitts onto it. So maybe it wasn't a manufacturing problem....

Our brakes lasted past 100,000 miles, pads and calipers both.

Early Neons, both sedans and coupes, were made in Toluca. Later all coupes went to Toluca and all sedans to Belvidere.
Not all later model coupes were built in Toluca. My R/T was built in Belvidere, I believe all of them were. Most R/Ts were built as 2 door models. My sister also has a 99 Plymouth coupe that was built in Illinois.
 

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Powdered Toast Man said:
I thought Neons were made in Belvedire, IL?

And Toluca quality? Is that why the rear fascia corners are still popping out below my tail lights on mine and just about every other Journey on the road?
Something happen to your rear fascia, those will alone never come out. And yes, we build with quality, if you don't think so, you are free to sell it, there is a market full with options, good luck to you.
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Even the brakes?
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Even the brakes?
Yes, you are right, we had problems with brakes, it took us time until Chrysler agreed with us, we had a lot of complains, so we had to change rotors and pads, we are now with a new supplier, but being honest it was Chrysler's fault.
 

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Something happen to your rear fascia, those will alone never come out. And yes, we build with quality, if you don't think so, you are free to sell it, there is a market full with options, good luck to you.
Its acually a pretty common problem from what I've seen.
Likely engineering and not assembly plant.
But as a Chrysler employee, you really shouldn't dismiss a customer that way .

http://www.allpar.com/photos/reviews/Dodge/Journey/Journey-fascia-flaw.jpg
 

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The whole idea of building the 500 series in Mexico was to sell to north in south and central America. So the 500 series is selling so little that they have to be manufactured only in Europe. Wow.
I wonder what plans they have for that plant. That's allot of people. Some other world vehicle. I'm sure Toledo wouldn't want to loose the Wrangler.
 

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Dave said:
I have to say our Toluca Neon had better paint than Belvidere Neons of the same year (1994) but they switched over to the modular clutch later, and that was a problem, though only after a dealer put his greasy mitts onto it. So maybe it wasn't a manufacturing problem....

Our brakes lasted past 100,000 miles, pads and calipers both.

Early Neons, both sedans and coupes, were made in Toluca. Later all coupes went to Toluca and all sedans to Belvidere.
Dave, with all my respect to you, Toluca never built a coupe, just sedans, and we were the ones who designed the engine for the SRT 4 , you'll have to remember that Toluca made those Spirits and Shadows Turbo, it was a Mexican project.
All the development of those Turbos was made in Mexico, Detroit never trusted Turbos, until they saw what we did with the Neon SRT 4, we even made an SRT 6 that never saw the light because of Daimler, they killed a lot of projects, they never let us work or trus in us, they only cared about their products.
Chrysler for them was like the unwanted child, they always saw Chrysler and empoyees inferior.
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Its acually a pretty common problem from what I've seen.
Likely engineering and not assembly plant.
But as a Chrysler employee, you really shouldn't dismiss a customer that way .

http://www.allpar.com/photos/reviews/Dodge/Journey/Journey-fascia-flaw.jpg
Well maybe you are right, but he must understand that's not a Tolucas problem, if you go to a dealer, you'll see that all fascias are good, they come off with an accident, remember that those párts are engineered, and they must be approved by the goverments agencies, but that my friend is a common problem with todays cars, corners are always weaker, they must come out in an accident, it doesn't matter if it's not a hard or big one.
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The whole idea of building the 500 series in Mexico was to sell to north in south and central America. So the 500 series is selling so little that they have to be manufactured only in Europe. Wow.
I wonder what plans they have for that plant. That's allot of people. Some other world vehicle. I'm sure Toledo wouldn't want to loose the Wrangler.
The 500 is still selling well, orders are still coming in, sometime, Toluca can't build them on time.
 

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Personally hoping the build a US version of the Strada there. Just a thought on the Wrangler im all for the keep it in Toledo thing unless they cant expand capacity enough to build the variants they need to.
When I bought my 500 the business manager at the dealership said they where getting the Strada
 

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Fiat 500 production is not changing because of low sales, it's changing because Fiat is re-arranging its plants worldwide, and expects to use its Italian plants to make premium cars.

If Alfa Romeo and Maserati fail to make their numbers, you will see lots of layoffs and plant closures in Italy, I think.

And I could be wrong about the Neon production, it's been a long time and I was probably given some urban legend type info at the time.

PS> Mr. Source, I agree that your response regarding Journey was a bit harsh. No plant is perfect and there are sometimes engineering and material flaws. The fascia issue could have been due to bad parts, too, which would hardly be a Toluca problem.
 

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Well maybe you are right, but he must understand that's not a Tolucas problem, if you go to a dealer, you'll see that all fascias are good, they come off with an accident, remember that those párts are engineered, and they must be approved by the goverments agencies, but that my friend is a common problem with todays cars, corners are always weaker, they must come out in an accident, it doesn't matter if it's not a hard or big one.
The two cars I'm familiar with were never in accidents, and while I'm sure the issue was was not the fault of the assembly plant (rarely is in my experiance) it is still a customer satisfaction issue that can not be dismissed as nothing wrong. That is how customers are lost, and that is a problem for all of Chrysler including Toluca.
So I'll just agree to disagree.
 

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Dave said:
Fiat 500 production is not changing because of low sales, it's changing because Fiat is re-arranging its plants worldwide, and expects to use its Italian plants to make premium cars.
The production of 500 for America is probably moved to Poland just to utilize the capacity of the Polish plant more efficiently, because that plant lost a lot of volume when Fiat Panda production was recently moved to Italy.
 

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Dave, with all my respect to you, Toluca never built a coupe, just sedans, and we were the ones who designed the engine for the SRT 4 , you'll have to remember that Toluca made those Spirits and Shadows Turbo, it was a Mexican project.
All the development of those Turbos was made in Mexico, Detroit never trusted Turbos, until they saw what we did with the Neon SRT 4, we even made an SRT 6 that never saw the light because of Daimler, they killed a lot of projects, they never let us work or trus in us, they only cared about their products...
Yeah, Spirit R/T, New Yorker, Le Baron, Phantom (Le Baron Cupé), and the list goes on... all of them built in Toluca, along with the Mexican Only Stratus and Cirrus (Sebring) 4 door R/T was 2.4L Turbocharged and Cirrus was always 2.4L Turbocharged too, so the Plymouth Truck Cruiser was too.
About the Journey issues, it's obviusly a design issue... in the other hand it's the hottest seller Crossover in Mexico and Canada so...

Anyhow if they pretend to close the plant out (which seems nonsense to Sergio's "pure success plan") the Mexican Government will ask them to don't do it (like a few years ago, they managed to make Chrysler and Ford to stay in Mexico, GM went away and then came back to built here the cheap, ugly and very hot seller Chevy Aveo) So I don't think that the plant it's doomed at all.
 

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Toluca and Saltillo are very healthy, Chrysler is making a lot of money because of those Mexican plants, so who could even think about it?

Today we inspected more than 100 Journeys and all of them were ok, gaps were according specs in rear fascias and in many other areas.
We changed brakes, updated modules and change some suspension components on the new Journeys.
 

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Dave, with all my respect to you, Toluca never built a coupe, just sedans, and we were the ones who designed the engine for the SRT 4 , you'll have to remember that Toluca made those Spirits and Shadows Turbo, it was a Mexican project.
All the development of those Turbos was made in Mexico, Detroit never trusted Turbos, until they saw what we did with the Neon SRT 4, we even made an SRT 6 that never saw the light because of Daimler, they killed a lot of projects, they never let us work or trus in us, they only cared about their products.
Chrysler for them was like the unwanted child, they always saw Chrysler and empoyees inferior.

Well maybe you are right, but he must understand that's not a Tolucas problem, if you go to a dealer, you'll see that all fascias are good, they come off with an accident, remember that those párts are engineered, and they must be approved by the goverments agencies, but that my friend is a common problem with todays cars, corners are always weaker, they must come out in an accident, it doesn't matter if it's not a hard or big one.

The 500 is still selling well, orders are still coming in, sometime, Toluca can't build them on time.
Thanks for the SRT4 and SRT6 info!

Agreed, I think it's more a materials/supplier/engineering problem than a Toluca assembly problem. The parts on my Caliber aren't great, but from what I can tell, it was assembled very well. So the workers at the Belvidere plant did their job properly. The problem is with the Dumbler penny pinching.
 

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Dave said:
Probably a supplier problem. I agree it's a customer satisfaction probelm that should be resolved.
Every couple of weeks I give mine a tap with the bottom of my fist to pop it back in.

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Mike V. said:
Every couple of weeks I give mine a tap with the bottom of my fist to pop it back in.

Mike
Please, take ikt back to any dealer, they will have the fix.
 

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Mr.Source said:
Please, take ikt back to any dealer, they will have the fix.
Thanks, do you know what the fix is?

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Mr.Source said:
Please, take ikt back to any dealer, they will have the fix.
We do??
 
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Ahh warped rotors. Chrysler has been plagued with that bug for years. It ain't just the Journey. I hope if their new supplier works out they give them all their rotor business. I work for one of the major auto parts chains, and let me tell you we get more then our share of rotor sales from Chrysler products. I bought a new 1984 Ramcharger, warranty supplied me with 3 new sets before it was up, they all warped and I'm not hard on brakes. I replaced them after warranty with a name brand aftermarket pair and they never warped. My 02 Ram 2500 I bought new was built in the Lago Alberto plant Mr Source talks about on here and I have 200,000 miles on it with the original rotors. So someone knows how to make good rotors.
 
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