In Canada (except for the 200) there is.Jeff2KPatriotBlue said:If you look at the "status" gap between Lincoln/Ford, Audi/VW, Caddilac/Chevrolet, can you honestly say that the same gap exists between Chrysler and Dodge?
It will take some effort to get Chrysler back on that list... and family mini-vans don't get you there.
vipermoon64 said:Ya let's not kid ourselves, Chrysler and Buick make nice cars, but they shouldn't be on that list. And neither should Lincoln, Acura, most Infinitis, and some Cadillacs and Daimlers. Did they list Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche and such? Or are you just showing the top sellers?
Well stated IMHO.MoparNorm said:BMW, Mercedes and others skate by on their reputation as luxury cars, but frankly, they leave a lot to be desired in fit, finish, NVH and "feel". Top of the line 300's are just as nice, but there aren't 300,000 of them, I think that number includes the T&C.
Real luxury today consists of the Jaguar XJ, Cadillac XTS, Chrysler 300 Executive Series and a handful of the top tier Mercs and BMW's.
The BMW 3 Series and Merc C class are not to be counted as top tier luxury cars, more like status cars and the "status" part I leave to the reader.![]()
I think you are thinking of it wrong. To be called a luxury brand all of your cars don't have to be super expensive. The 3 series can be called a luxury car not because of its status but because they are well built, comfortable, have a great amount of features, etc. And I know some will mention the fact that the features standard on the 3 series aren't much. But remember, the 3 series starts at about 35k and the features it does have standard and available are top of the line in quality of.MoparNorm said:BMW, Mercedes and others skate by on their reputation as luxury cars, but frankly, they leave a lot to be desired in fit, finish, NVH and "feel". Top of the line 300's are just as nice, but there aren't 300,000 of them, I think that number includes the T&C.
Real luxury today consists of the Jaguar XJ, Cadillac XTS, Chrysler 300 Executive Series and a handful of the top tier Mercs and BMW's.
The BMW 3 Series and Merc C class are not to be counted as top tier luxury cars, more like status cars and the "status" part I leave to the reader.![]()
Perception that they are garbage? If you're talking real world, then there isn't such a thing (though I think a lot of Japanese cars deserve that perception). If you're saying Allpar members have that perception, it does seem that way (to me), yes.dana44 said:I guess it would be a perfect time to bring back the Imperial and make a real luxury model to add to the luxury brands, just to be fair. We know they have the capability, knowledge and technology to do such a thing, so leave things alone the way they are and make a luxury Imperial.
But do us all a favor and get some advertising that is worth a damn, so tired of the perception that the "other than Japanese and European" cars are garbage, it needs to be fixed like a hole in a dam.
The way I see it it's neither about features nor about being well built (btw I owned both audis and bmws and their reliability was not so good, I think people mix up "well engineered" with "well built" ).vipermoon64 said:I think you are thinking of it wrong. To be called a luxury brand all of your cars don't have to be super expensive. The 3 series can be called a luxury car not because of its status but because they are well built, comfortable, have a great amount of features, etc. And I know some will mention the fact that the features standard on the 3 series aren't much. But remember, the 3 series starts at about 35k and the features it does have standard and available are top of the line in quality of.
And Cadillac XTS? I've driven that car, my uncle has one, and I read the Caranddriver review. It has a lot of features and it is comfortable from a floating standpoint and the steering is so light I think I could have steered with my tongue. But that is not a "luxury" car it's just an FWD, expensive, feature filled car...at least not my idea of a luxury car.
Disclaimer: this is all I.M.O