If people are patient, there will some deals to be had I believe.
Buildup of Stellantis inventories
Anyone notice that RAM, Jeep, Dodge and Chrysler have the largest inventories of vehicles.
The consensus is they have priced themselves out of the market. Any thoughts?
The consensus is they have priced themselves out of the market. Any thoughts?
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Ford can spin it all they want, if one is doing REAL off roading, with non military ifs you're kidding yourself. With that said, it still puts Wrangler in a difficult situation. They probably should look at making an ifs for standard Jeeps and doing live axle setups for only the hard core models.
How much more can be done? Dana has made axles for them since the beginning.I am afraid that would be the home stretch of Norm’s famous Jeep going a slippery slope.
What Jeep ought to do, like Porsche did with 911’s rear engine, is stick to its guns, and take the development of the front solid axle to higher levels of refinement and capability.
NA operations are vulnerable because while they can crow all they want about margins, these tired and old vehicles are needing replaced. And that takes cash. This is stuff that should've been done five years ago or longer.
That's true, but the only place this company is making REAL money is NA. There are profits elsewhere, but pale in comparison.Some of this inventory is i believe meant for pre ordered vehicles that have taken months to deliver, so the excess inventory being cited here may in fact be lower....since they under delivered vehicles last year. Regardless if this is a recession at least for car sales then another shakeout will happen just like 2008. Having loss making compact sedans etc would'v only made matters worse. Besides the whole point of the merger is geographical diversification for survival in and through usa andor europe recessions. Now if recessionary conditions become extreme like 2008+.over the next year.... :-()
If thats true, then he has really no idea what's been happening at Mopar since the Daimler invasion. What's left to cut? One assembly plant? Check. Suppliers profits? Already did that several times in the last 20 plus years. Warranty cuts? Well they have been trying very hard to not own.up to the cheap parts they've been using, so check. Engineers to help engineer vehicles? Yep Ford seems to have gotten all of them, but Ford's build quality has went in the toilet, so there is that. I'm sure they will find other ways to cut. Oh, don't rule out pushing back the new products timeline either.
If Liberty would've followed the looks of the Cherokee I think it would've lasted longer. My ex bought a new Liberty in 2005. It was a good vehicle. Had it lived long enough to get the 3.6 and 8sp, it would've helped tremendously.Jeep does need to remain committed to improving off-road performance, as Bronco is very close in capability (remember who designed it after all). Most buyers will never use all of the capability of a Wrangler, or a Bronco for that matter. To the extent that they will be used by most, it doesn't matter.
However, for myself, it's not a difference in capability that has me looking at other brands, its the crappy dealer experience and the nagging issues that they have not addressed, not to mention the astronomical pricing. I love Jeeps (the vehicles), I just don't know if I want to deal with their (the corporation) BS anymore.
For those who say that IFS won't work, my Liberty held up just fine in 18 years (despite the crappy IFS parts), with varied use including mild to moderate off-roading, and I recall Norm's wife or daughter had a Liberty as well, and it did well for them also from what he told me (with a Franken Lift!).
If they only make the Recon a BEV only, they are making a huge mistake.A Liberty/Cherokee as you described would probably be my next vehicle. As I’ve said before, I feel like Bronco illustrates what Liberty could’ve been…probably minus the removable top and doors. A good solid roof 4WD vehicle to complement Wrangler. I guess JKU took over some of that role with 4 doors, but not completely. Liberty with IFS was much more comfortable to drive than my TJ, and a better executed IFS would’ve made it more capable off-road.
Yup, if they had evolved the original Liberty, and added the 3.6 with the 8sp it would’ve helped tremendously IMO. The 3.7 V6 was underpowered, though having a manual made it somewhat more enjoyable for me, despite being sloooow. Lol.
I initially saw Recon being a possible replacement for my Liberty, but pricing and the fact that it will be BEV only are making it less desirable in my eyes…pricing perhaps more so, but I’m also not sure I’m ready to go full electric yet either.
Maybe the brass forgot already.Speaking of Jeep, there are unofficial reports floating around that Wrangler’s long-awaited mid-cycle redesign opened for ordering three days ago as a 2024 model year.
Dealers were invited to an online internal presentation outlining all the changes to JL, but there has been no public announcement, no press release, no published photos, no reveal for youtubers, no official list of changes, nothing. Dealers are having to describe prospective buyers what this mythical redesigned 2024 Wrangler looks like using their hands.
After years of Wrangler customers waiting for a redesign, dealers are now in the strange position of waiting for customers to come in to place their orders...and waiting, and waiting...
The whole thing is just so bizarre.
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