[marlon_jbt]

He specifically mentioned it while sitting in the front seat and pointed right to it, placing his finger on it. The darn thing is huge, I was really surprised and disappointed.

"...the 200 has a sleek *BACK* roofline, you need to duck to get inside, and rear seat room takes a hit."

Nothing about the front, Norm. He didn't mention anything about getting in the front. Just visibility.

My daughter has a Journey it doesn't impede your ability to get into and out of the car.

And this is the quote that prompted my reply.

 

[90243]

Other cars with a similar roof line that looks like a coupe' are thick too, like the new BMW 4,Mercedes Benz CLA,
To consider also that de curtain airbags are bigger than in the past as well by other posters the rollover safety.

The clear color are makes appear the pillar wider than a dark colored one (but is very wide anyway).

Unfortunately most of new cars have massive A pillar, very annoyng when driving on roads with a lot of corners and here in central Italy there are a lot of corners.

 

[MoparNorm]

Would you like some cheese with your whine? Please... Lets see how well the vehicle performs with rollover rating.

Who cares about rollover if that deters someone from buying it, they won't be in it when it rolls. Frankly, that' design is stupid, there are plenty of other cars out there with the same roof slope without a 5" fat A pillar. No need for the hostile comment.

And this is the quote that prompted my reply.

You are confusing two completely separate posts. However he DID have to duck to get in. The video is obvious in his meaning and location, it was All about the front.

 

[Moparian]

Who cares about rollover if that deters someone from buying it, they won't be in it when it rolls. Frankly, that' design is stupid, there are plenty of other cars out there with the same roof slope without a 5" fat A pillar. No need for the hostile comment.

Norm, I believe that he was referring to the CR video and not you directly.

 

[MoparNorm]

Norm, I believe that he was referring to the CR video and not you directly.

I can appreciate that! However if true he shouldn't have quoted me with that comment directly following.

 

[XRT2SRT]

He didn't seem to be all that put off about the A-pillar design, having made such a brief comment about it...I'm wondering just how tall is he and whether his height is torso biased. Very positive quick take, however...SURPRISED I am, considering the source! Just another confirmation that THIS 200 is a very solid player in this field and should not to be taken lightly.

 

[Beentherebefore]

Best short take review of a chrysler period- I have read them all back to 1939- not once have they been so positive and realistic, and yes I meant I have read every single C/R has ever published- this is the single first positive first drive report- they may have recomened the Aspen/Volare, but they were critical of it...

You may have missed their review of the Current model RAM. They liked it so much that they recommend it over the Chevy truck even though that one tested out very slightly better in their road test workouts.

CU also liked the latest Chrysler 300 and put it on their recommended list as a "bargain" luxury vehicle.

They also had very good things to say about testing the Jeep GC, especially it's off road prowess, but they downgraded it for reliability problems.

 

[TripleT]

C/R has no credibility with me either way.

 

[bumonbox]

C/R has no credibility with me either way.

Agreed, but it still nice to know that the mass brainless will read this and come away with a positive impression.

It will do nothing but help Chrysler gain a more positive sales position. Whether or not it can beat the 200 / Avenger combined sales remains to be seen.

 

[UN4GTBL]

He didn't seem to be all that put off about the A-pillar design, having made such a brief comment about it...I'm wondering just how tall is he and whether his height is torso biased. Very positive quick take, however...SURPRISED I am, considering the source! Just another confirmation that THIS 200 is a very solid player in this field and should not to be taken lightly.

Agreed, he said it was similar to others in the segment, and then moved on.

C/R has no credibility with me either way.

Agreed, but it still nice to know that the mass brainless will read this and come away with a positive impression.

It will do nothing but help Chrysler gain a more positive sales position. Whether or not it can beat the 200 / Avenger combined sales remains to be seen.

Me too - I won't use CR when researching a new vehicle, but a lot of people do, so it's nice to see this.

 

[redhed]

Agreed, but it still nice to know that the mass brainless will read this and come away with a positive impression.

It will do nothing but help Chrysler gain a more positive sales position. Whether or not it can beat the 200 / Avenger combined sales remains to be seen.

i'd tend to disagree. a good CR review and especially (hopefully) good surveys down the road will lead to sales to the "brainless" as you refer to "them"! :scared:

 

[humdrum]

The 200 efforts trying to be a standout, unique, to separate itself from the other me too brands (that's you... Toyota, Honda, Altima). In styling it succeeds IMO. He (the reviewer ) states that the car looks even better in person than in pictures. He even talks more positively about the 9 speed and the 2.4 because the car is lighter.

All in all, the angst about the sales being affected may be premature. I still think this car is a winner, and the next generation will remember it as fondly as many of us remember the Chryslers that were "different" in the 60's and later on. In its own way it succeeds.

 

[Jerry Simcik]

Norm, some of that may just be hidden in other cars. The headliner could be recessed more in the 200. You'd get more headroom where you need it, but the A-pillar would stick out more.

And, those other cars you mentioned, well, they weren't designed to meet the new safety regs. You'll see more and more of that prominent A-pillar in newer designs I think, especially if the automaker wants to maximize aerodynamics.

 

[redhed]

And, those other cars you mentioned, well, they weren't designed to meet the new safety regs. You'll see more and more of that prominent A-pillar in newer designs I think, especially if the automaker wants to maximize aerodynamics.

i think it depends. the honda accord's A pillar is pretty thin compared to many other cars and it still gets stellar marks in crash tests if i remember correctly. the thickness of the A pillar seems to depend more on the materials used to construct it, but i haven't slept at a holiday inn recently so i may have no idea what i'm talking about!

 

[jimboy]

Well, just before I logged on this morning, I read the print review of the Cherokee, in my complimentary copy of CR. (!)

The difference in the 2 reviews is night and day. They made no bones of their criticisms of the Cherokee, especially the 2.4 versions and the 9 speed, the 200 review was a love fest, in contrast.

"The people who buy the 200 will WANT a 200" That's the best praise I can think of!

Re: 'A' pillars, the one in my Magnum blocks my view of pedestrians crossing towards me on the left. I have to remember to look around it when turning left, which is annoying. ( and possibly unsafe )

 

[bumonbox]

i'd tend to disagree. a good CR review and especially (hopefully) good surveys down the road will lead to sales to the "brainless" as you refer to "them"! :scared:

I'm not sure if we are disagreeing, or if I misread your post.

I was attempting to state that a good CR review read by the, umm "less independant thinkers"? (is that any better?) Is good for perspective sales to these masses.

So while I could care less about what CR has to say for my own personal decisions, I also recognize that positive press from CR is good for Chrysler in terms of the mass publics perceptions. Do we disagree?

 

[TripleT]

Who cares about rollover if that deters someone from buying it, they won't be in it when it rolls.

Lawyer and the government... because they are going to sell at least 1 :/

It is fine.

 

[redhed]

I'm not sure if we are disagreeing, or if I misread your post.

I was attempting to state that a good CR review read by the, umm "less independant thinkers"? (is that any better?) Is good for perspective sales to these masses.

So while I could care less about what CR has to say for my own personal decisions, I also recognize that positive press from CR is good for Chrysler in terms of the mass publics perceptions. Do we disagree?

i apparently misread your post... my bad. imo, CR probably has more of an effect on sales of a vehicle than just about any other car reviewing entity in the US. i think we're mostly in agreement!

 

[JTE]

The A-pillar is how it is because interiors are designed around an unbelted drivers head form, plus there may be air bags stuffed up there. Rollover compliance is achieved using a narrow cross section of HSS.
Yes they are huge, but the sight lines are optimized for the drivers eye position, not passenger's. They're not that size by Design Offices' choice.

 

[willy4110]

CR has a favourable report on a Chryc product?? What's next? The Maple Leafs gonna win the Stanley Cup??