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From what I'm seeing of the new Jeeps so far, they seem to be boxier, and staying to an "off road" image. Family/social is based off of Feuell's recent note. I think we'll see a distinction in designs and missions.
"Image" is something any manufacturer can do, and some are creating an off road image to beat the softer Jeeps.
Jeep needs more than an off road image if it expects to continue drawing buyers and expecting higher prices. Otherwise, it's a Chevy and Toyota competitor with nothing to command a premium any longer.
 
"Image" is something any manufacturer can do, and some are creating an off road image to beat the softer Jeeps.
Jeep needs more than an off road image if it expects to continue drawing buyers and expecting higher prices. Otherwise, it's a Chevy and Toyota competitor with nothing to command a premium any longer.
Taking about image...

Image
 
If we're talking about "image" and not capability then yes, seriously.
It might have better ground clearance and a few tricks, but will not match up to Jeep.

However, for those that want something more capable like a Jeep but without all the reliability and lousy customer service from Jeep.....this becomes an option.

That is a few thousand more units that Jeep could have sold, but will not.
 
STLA Medium shares with Compass. It would be a reskinned lowered Compass.
STLA Medium will be widely used in Europe, so the R&D is already absorbed.
If they want to compete against the Corolla or Civic that's not an issue, in Europe the 308 and Astra do it, only issue i see is the engines that are not fitted for the US market.

And they can go against a Civic, the previous 308 GTI despite only having a 1,6L was not that far the Type R or Golf GTI (there's a video on youtube where a 308 GTI follow a Golf GTI on the Nurburgring).
 
Unless they're planning on selling souped up models from Europe. But even then they'd have to be federalized some. And I don't think selling hi-po Peugeots as Dodges are going to go over any better than the rebadged Alfa.
With the platform there's no need to rebadge, they can use most internal componants and change the interior and body. The Acutal Opel Corsa is a reskin of the Peugeot 208 that has been done quickly whe PSA bought Opel from GM, you can see the cars are close but they're not "clones".
 
STLA Medium will be widely used in Europe, so the R&D is already absorbed.
If they want to compete against the Corolla or Civic that's not an issue, in Europe the 308 and Astra do it, only issue i see is the engines that are not fitted for the US market.

And they can go against a Civic, the previous 308 GTI despite only having a 1,6L was not that far the Type R or Golf GTI (there's a video on youtube where a 308 GTI follow a Golf GTI on the Nurburgring).
The 1.6T in EMP2 is perfect for the US.
The 1.2T in EMP1/CMP will not work for the US except for the cheapest models.

Kia Sporage/Sorento/Carnival hybrid 1.6T, Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid 1.6T
Honda Civic/Accord/CR-V 1.5T, Acura Integra 1.5T
VW Jetta/Taos 1.5T
Nissan Rogue 1.5T
Mini Cooper 1.5T
Buick Encore GX 1.3T, Chevy Trailblazer 1.3T
Chevy Malibu 1.5T
Hyundai Elantra 1.6T, Kia K5/Forte 1.6T
Buick Encore GX/Envista 1.2T, Chevy Trailblazer/Trax 1.2T
Ford Escape 1.5T

With the platform there's no need to rebadge, they can use most internal componants and change the interior and body. The Acutal Opel Corsa is a reskin of the Peugeot 208 that has been done quickly whe PSA bought Opel from GM, you can see the cars are close but they're not "clones".
The US isn't the EU. Some strengthening of the structure underneath that those panels bolt to will be needed. Doable, but nowhere as easy as making a Peugeot an Opel.
 
They keep tilting the camera to make it look like it's doing off-roady stuff, but .. straighten out the trees... and it looks about as capable as a Renegade.
But it also starts at $45k.

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Those trees were upright, there was just a very stiff wind that day. Constant, stiff, strong wind. Hurricane-force even. Which should have blown the vehicle right off those rocks…but didn’t…which showcases how good its brakes and tires are too!

:p
 
The 1.6T in EMP2 is perfect for the US.
The 1.2T in EMP1/CMP will not work for the US except for the cheapest models.

Kia Sporage/Sorento/Carnival hybrid 1.6T, Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid 1.6T
Honda Civic/Accord/CR-V 1.5T, Acura Integra 1.5T
VW Jetta/Taos 1.5T
Nissan Rogue 1.5T
Mini Cooper 1.5T
Buick Encore GX 1.3T, Chevy Trailblazer 1.3T
Chevy Malibu 1.5T
Hyundai Elantra 1.6T, Kia K5/Forte 1.6T
Buick Encore GX/Envista 1.2T, Chevy Trailblazer/Trax 1.2T
Ford Escape 1.5T


The US isn't the EU. Some strengthening of the structure underneath that those panels bolt to will be needed. Doable, but nowhere as easy as making a Peugeot an Opel.
My bad for the engines i was more thinking of the sportier versions, the 1.6 will be ok but if they want to go against a Type R they'll need a bigger engine.

EU has also some odd regulations especialy for the front of the cars to avoid injuries if a car hits someone.
 
My bad for the engines i was more thinking of the sportier versions, the 1.6 will be ok but if they want to go against a Type R they'll need a bigger engine.

EU has also some odd regulations especialy for the front of the cars to avoid injuries if a car hits someone.
They will need a hybrid with a properly size battery, not one designed to drive across town in EV mode.

They sure are odd, tall blunt front ends are worse, but that's what the EU has.
 
They will need a hybrid with a properly size battery, not one designed to drive across town in EV mode.

They sure are odd, tall blunt front ends are worse, but that's what the EU has.
The quickest stock production FWD car at the ring has only 300 HP, 30 HP less than Civic Type R. Civic Type R is an EPA large hatchback, there is a lot of room for improvement. Renault Megane RS Trophy R 7:40.10

EP6FDTR – 184 kW (250 PS)/199 kW (270 PS) 1.6l THP Peugeot 308 GTi
EP6CDTR – 199 kW (270 PS) 1.6l THP Peugeot RCZ

Do a mild hybrid with a 30 HP electric motor and you are right where you need to be.
 
My bad for the engines i was more thinking of the sportier versions, the 1.6 will be ok but if they want to go against a Type R they'll need a bigger engine.

EU has also some odd regulations especialy for the front of the cars to avoid injuries if a car hits someone.
The first Mustangs had the lowly 144 or the barely adequate 170 when it came out and sold the living daylights out of the market because it had the right looks. It didn't get any power until the 260 came out.
 
The quickest stock production FWD car at the ring has only 300 HP, 30 HP less than Civic Type R. Civic Type R is an EPA large hatchback, there is a lot of room for improvement. Renault Megane RS Trophy R 7:40.10

EP6FDTR – 184 kW (250 PS)/199 kW (270 PS) 1.6l THP Peugeot 308 GTi
EP6CDTR – 199 kW (270 PS) 1.6l THP Peugeot RCZ

Do a mild hybrid with a 30 HP electric motor and you are right where you need to be.
They scrapped a lot of wheight in the Megane Trophy R, but it has a fantastic chassis.

You can look at the 508 PSE, 1.6L in 200hp mode with 2 electrics motors = 360hp, car is on the EMP2 platform so can be fitted on a "compact" car (you can watch on youtube they made some prototypes on the 308 they called it the 308 r hybrid).
 
They scrapped a lot of wheight in the Megane Trophy R, but it has a fantastic chassis.

You can look at the 508 PSE, 1.6L in 200hp mode with 2 electrics motors = 360hp, car is on the EMP2 platform so can be fitted on a "compact" car (you can watch on youtube they made some prototypes on the 308 they called it the 308 r hybrid).
Yes they could make a FWD car to take on Civic Type R and an AWD car to take on GR Corolla.

The best way to do that is to take the platform and make them the Dodge Daytona (FWD) and Stealth (AWD).
 
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