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All it takes is a "seed" to start a rumor. While I think it totally absurd anyone could believe Dodge would be going by the wayside, ANY thing is possible these days..... but.... to think of such a concept AND believe it would be to believe EVERYthing stated on April 01 of each year.... Dodge is heading in the right direction. My bet is that is will become MORE/VERY strong in the very near future. There are more Dodge/Chrysler/Fiat products on the road around down south than in recent memory. While just my neck of the woods doesn't represent the whole world, it does represent sales.
It chaps my behind to hear negative rumors.... and Dodge going away is NOTHING but a rumor.

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Muther said:
WOW...

an auto journalist blogger that does their research (i.e. reads Allpar.com), and isn't just speculating wildly. Thanks.
....and who offers no clear evidence other than the words of Sergio Marchionne.......which have been 100% spot on! /sarcasm
 

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Lots of good points, just the same as there were reasons to keep Plymouth, but still opinion, only history will show whether or not Dodge remains.
 

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The lineup as presented by the Author sound quite exciting, Maybe with the return of the Magnum
 

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Nobody really will know until we see whats on tap for 2016 and beyond. I think the Rumors are based in part on the new CAFE regs. Who knows how this will affect Dodge and Chrysler. Fiat 500s aren't selling that well either. So Fiat as a replacement brand for Dodge might not be much better. However, the new owners are Italian. Speculation is what auto forums and blogs were made for.
 
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I don't think that Dodge is going anywhere either. I'm more worried about Chrysler than Dodge simply based on the number of models. Chrysler has three major designs in the 300, the 200, the 200 covertible (which is sufficiently different to warrant differentiation in my opinion) and the Town and Country.

Dodge has the Charger, the Challenger, the Avenger, the Dart, the Durango, the Journey, and the Grand Caravan. Even if Dodge loses the minivan, the Avenger, and the Durango they still have the same number of models as Chrysler, and with the full-size car as the police market, the Challenger as a very successful car I don't see them going away.
 

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We now have 4 Dodges. All very reliable. At this point I wouldn't consider anything else. I guess we don't fit the J.D. Power's profile...
 

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I know those are 2012/2013 surveys, but I'm wondering what the data actually represents.

For the 2012 Customer retention survey, you would have to guess that the majority of people are not coming from 2011+ refreshed Chrysler vehicles, so those numbers are actually pretty good IMO. If my Caliber was my only interaction with a Chrysler vehicle I'd never buy one again. I'd be interested to see how this changes in the next few years.

For the 2013 Vehicle Dependability Study, is that for brand new vehicles only or all vehicles? (JD Powers does a first 100 days survey right, so I'm curious if this is the data points, or if it's a more general survey) Also, I'd like to know what qualifies as a "problem" for dependability. Something like a vehicle blowing up on the highway should not be classified the same as a customer's cell phone not connecting to the bluetooth in the vehicle.
 

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I don't fit JD Power either, I guess... turns out the worst reliability I had on my Spirit (18 years old) was due to my own stupidity when doing a modification.
 

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I don't fit JD Power either, I guess... turns out the worst reliability I had on my Spirit (18 years old) was due to my own stupidity when doing a modification.
...and I wonder how many owners doing the survey are likely to indicate a self-imposed problem as a problem with a vehicle?
 

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The one question I ask is why did they change the trucks from Dodge to Ram ?? :whistle:
This has been answered many times before.

Separating the Dodge cars from the Ram trucks as a separate line of business provided for better use of marketing funds among other things.

Or, if that's unacceptable, they did it purely to upset consumers.

Take your pick.
 

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I just wish that they'd left a half-ton with Dodge. Kind of like how General Motors has their GMC trucks division that sells light duty and medium duty trucks, yet Chevrolet continues to sell light duty trucks.

In this scenario they could have given the beefier-looking front-clip sheet metal of the 2500 and 3500 to the "RAM" marque even on a 1500, and had a 1500 and maybe even a 2500 from Dodge with the current 1500's front-clip sheet metal. That would preclude the Cummins in the Dodge line, but leave it in the RAM line. For marketing, don't offer the vinyl seats and rubber floors options in the Dodge line, make it cloth and base leather as a lifestyle truck, and make the RAM line the variant that can go for everything from the vinyl/rubber to the high-end leather cowboy-cadillac scenario. Heck, if there's a real desire to differentiate, don't even offer a longbed for the Dodge version, make that exclusive to the RAM version.

Yeah, I know, old argument... *sigh*
 
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