Big brother at its worst..wait till automatic ticketing comes.easy to do.




Bob

 

How? RFID chipped drivers licences and embedded readers in car sending vins and licences to data collectors and automated servers not legal in USA due process and lack of probable cause EU...no problem.change laws to require AAA overseas licences I to be chipped for USA drivers temporarily in EU. Not saying I agree but easily done.

 

While it has been easy to do automatic ticketing for around fifty years, it has yet to be done (excluding photo radar which doesn't count). As one example the NJ Turnpike has had computer based tolls forever but the simple method of time/distance auto-tickets hasn't happened. In this case, the headline is exceedingly misleading because the requirement is to warn the driver - a sensible thing to do in Europe where photo radar is absurdly common and cars even come with photo radar warning systems built in. I found it interesting, and clever, that instead of typical cruise control of "go this speed" many Eurocars come with cruise of “go any speed up to...”

 

As one example the NJ Turnpike has had computer based tolls forever but the simple method of time/distance auto-tickets hasn't happened.

Florida has has electronic tolling since the 90's and I'm shocked SHOCKED, they haven't done that here. I did get a warning letter in the early 00's before ORT was a thing about speeding through the plaza itself, but that was more a safety thing as most of those plazas still had attendants and most of the cars didn't have transponders so the idea of a car passing an attendant at a booth in excess of the 35 mph speed limit in the booth rightfully necessitated a warning.

 

Kind of makes you wonder when the EU will "mandate" all EVs to have the same wienie 50HP motor, all programmed to accelerate at the same pace, and have automatic speed guidance where the computer adjusts the little George Jettson mobile to the posted speed limits, picked up by sensors imbedded in roadside signs. Oops! Maybe I'm giving them too many ideas they don't already have!🤣

 

Funny, I remember reading similar pessimistic and exaggerated crap in the late 70s when emissions controls were really kicking in, at the same time as the 1978 gasoline shortages.

Yet it never happened. I guess it's some people's nature to assume the worst and most ridiculous outcomes.

 

The speed warning is a selectable feature in the EVIC on a few of our models.

 

The speed warning is a selectable feature in the EVIC on a few of our models.

I think they're talking about something that knows the road's speed limit.

This really doesn't strike me as a terrible idea especially given all the photo radar units.

Again, New Jersey could have had automated ticket giving back in the 1970s when the Turnpike was first made - the tolls were done with computer punch cards! They recorded the time you started and the time you left, along with the distance traveled. it would have taken the computer no time at all to do the math.

And yet ... here we are without "mandated 50 hp engines." Instead, after decades of regulation, we have 797 horsepower Hellcats, and the cheapest Dodge or Chrysler comes with an honest 292-305 net hp - more than all but a few muscle car engines of the 1960s and 1970s. A "slow POS" Dart 1.4T can outrun quite a bit of that vintage muscle, too...

There are other areas where I can assume the worst. FOr this announcement, I don't see a need to panic.

 

My Pacifica already does this. It knows the speed limit based on the nav/GPS. It displays the speed limit in the corner of the screen. If I'm speeding a red box appears around the speed limit sign. If I'm speeding when I'm coming up on a red light camera an audible warning will sound.

Anyway, it sounds like the Europe thing is a driver aid no different than lane departure or collision warning. Quit freaking out. No one's coming for your freedoms.

 

It wouldn’t matter if the car was gas or electric if they wanted to regulate speeds or motor size/horsepower, so that simply a false argument.

 

My XF's has this feature minus the slowing down. I don't pay attention to it so it's useless added tech for the sake of added tech.

 

How is Elon Musk going to get around this requirement??

 

They probably won't do automatic speeding tickets in the US since it won't make driving safer and would have legal challenges. The people required to make such a thing legal also speed. For instance, in CA the legal speed limit is how fast average traffic is moving when there are more than just a couple vehicles. This can vary depending on conditions and the drivers. On the freeway it may range from 45 to 75.

 

They probably won't do automatic speeding tickets in the US since it won't make driving safer and would have legal challenges.

They already have these in some states. Pennsylvania restricts photo radar based automatic speeding tickets to construction zones, which can be miles long and have literally no people working within 50 yards of the highway. Ask me how I know this.

 

They can track your cell phone movements!!!
And the speed it moves between towers!!!

 

They can track your cell phone movements!!!
And the speed it moves between towers!!!

You joke, but the bluetooth signal on the phones is how we determine traffic count movements now.

 

I understand concern for government over-reach, whether in the US or abroad. i mean just look at what’s happening right now here in the States. Unfortunately, I think that’s about as far as this discussion can go given our polarized view of the world. It would be nice if we (read as all humanity) could discuss things like this (virtually or in person) without going off the rails.

 

I realize some took my comments as chicken little...but not my intent just exploring practixle application of logical extensions of possibilities.yes I'm anarchist leaning always have been since my experiences in Vietnam wumith phoenix program and CIA overreach.bad enough I'm always skittish part of my cautious nature. Sorry for any confusion.



Bob

 

How’s everyone going to speed when autonomous vehicles take over?

 

Being Canadian, you're familiar with Rush's "Red Barchetta," yes?

 

Some highways in DC have radar based zones (with camera). They allow up to 10 mph over the posted limit. Don't ask me how I know.

 

I don't think he was joking, I think he was pointing out the absurdity of using car signals when tracking can already be done. (Those paranoid about EVs ushering in "a new era of government surveillance" really haven't been paying attention to license plate scanner networks or cell phones.)

 

Still no probable cause Dave can't PROVE WHO WAS DRIVING

 

We have photo radar cams here. The registered owner gets a speeding ticket (or red light ticket) in the mail. It's not considered an actual moving violation because like you said, they can't prove who was driving (so no demerits or license points). They're treated as a bylaw violation ticket - like a parking ticket.

 

Only who car is registered to.

 

Good layer could rip.case to shreads.

 

But they can't because the actual citation is for something like "allowing vehicle to exceed xx mph" - the owner gets the ticket, not the driver. That's why there are no points. I'd be pretty sure they've been challenged by now.

They also get pretty good pics of the drivers.

 

I think it would be easier to list the ways you can’t be tracked as opposed to the ways you can. Unless of course you’re living completely off the grid out in East Bumblefluck, Montana. In that case, it’s probably the opposite. Maybe.