Most Krogers near me have free charging and the shipping center with Target and Lowe’s does too. I see a lot of Wranglers and Pacificas using the spots, and an assortment of other EVs. Never another Grand Cherokee, Mach E, or a Tesla. Odd about the Mach E as I see several of them driving around but not using the charger spots.
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If anyone uses up three sets of tires in three years that is highly unusual.
a) A mechanical problem such as the wheel alignment is out leading to premature tire wear
b) Tire pressures WAY off spec which would cause premature wear
c) Driver behavior which results in premature tire wear (burnouts, drifting, track racing)
A Tesla Model 3 weighs more or less the same as a Chrysler 300. You don't see every 300 on the road eating a set of tires once a year.
Yes, electricity costs money. Did everyone run on the assumption that charging an EV is free or something? How much money do you spend on gas every month? If your electric bill goes up by less than that after you buy an EV, then that's a savings, right?
A level 1 charger running on a standard 120v 15a plug draws about as much power as a small appliance like a vacuum or space heater. A level 2 charger is like running a few cycles on your clothes dryer.
a) A mechanical problem such as the wheel alignment is out leading to premature tire wear
b) Tire pressures WAY off spec which would cause premature wear
c) Driver behavior which results in premature tire wear (burnouts, drifting, track racing)
A Tesla Model 3 weighs more or less the same as a Chrysler 300. You don't see every 300 on the road eating a set of tires once a year.
Yes, electricity costs money. Did everyone run on the assumption that charging an EV is free or something? How much money do you spend on gas every month? If your electric bill goes up by less than that after you buy an EV, then that's a savings, right?
A level 1 charger running on a standard 120v 15a plug draws about as much power as a small appliance like a vacuum or space heater. A level 2 charger is like running a few cycles on your clothes dryer.
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So, let's look at this 'high electrical bill' argument.
I own a 2011 Chrysler 200 that gets a combined 29.3 mpg (about 75% highway/25% city). I drive it (outside of pandemic times) about 22,000 miles per year. That means I use an average of 750 gallons of gasoline per year. At today's price of $3.099, that's $2325 per year spent on gasoline.
If I take that $2325 and apply it to the cost of electricity where I live (aggregate 20 cents per kwh with all costs combined), that would buy me 11,625 kwh.
If I assume a battery pack of 65 kwh, and that in real life, you never charge from 0 to 100% capacity, let's say a 'full charge' is 60 kwh. That gives me 194 full charge cycles, or better than one every other day.
If I further assume that I can conservatively get 200 miles on a charge cycle, and I have 194 charge cycles available per year, then I can drive 38,800 miles as an EV vs 22,000 miles for the same money with gasoline.
Or, working the equation the other way, if I drive 22,000 miles and get 200 miles per charge (again, conservatively), that's 110 charge cycles at 60 kwh per charge cycle, and at 20 cents per kwh for a total of 6600 kwh per year, my annual cost for EV 'fuel' is $1,320 - vs $2325 on gasoline.
I save over $1,000 per year on the energy cost alone.
Add to that the savings of EVs having a much reduced maintenance and repair cost of approximately $700 per year in my case (eliminating oil changes, tuneups, coolant system maintenance, and all failure modes associated with them, with exhaust systems, with combustion), and the savings is $1,800 per year.
If I keep the car just 7 years, I save $12,600.
And since the point-of-generation for the electricity is moved to a power plant that produces half the CO2 per kwh that my car does, I save 4.7 tons per year of CO2.
I own a 2011 Chrysler 200 that gets a combined 29.3 mpg (about 75% highway/25% city). I drive it (outside of pandemic times) about 22,000 miles per year. That means I use an average of 750 gallons of gasoline per year. At today's price of $3.099, that's $2325 per year spent on gasoline.
If I take that $2325 and apply it to the cost of electricity where I live (aggregate 20 cents per kwh with all costs combined), that would buy me 11,625 kwh.
If I assume a battery pack of 65 kwh, and that in real life, you never charge from 0 to 100% capacity, let's say a 'full charge' is 60 kwh. That gives me 194 full charge cycles, or better than one every other day.
If I further assume that I can conservatively get 200 miles on a charge cycle, and I have 194 charge cycles available per year, then I can drive 38,800 miles as an EV vs 22,000 miles for the same money with gasoline.
Or, working the equation the other way, if I drive 22,000 miles and get 200 miles per charge (again, conservatively), that's 110 charge cycles at 60 kwh per charge cycle, and at 20 cents per kwh for a total of 6600 kwh per year, my annual cost for EV 'fuel' is $1,320 - vs $2325 on gasoline.
I save over $1,000 per year on the energy cost alone.
Add to that the savings of EVs having a much reduced maintenance and repair cost of approximately $700 per year in my case (eliminating oil changes, tuneups, coolant system maintenance, and all failure modes associated with them, with exhaust systems, with combustion), and the savings is $1,800 per year.
If I keep the car just 7 years, I save $12,600.
And since the point-of-generation for the electricity is moved to a power plant that produces half the CO2 per kwh that my car does, I save 4.7 tons per year of CO2.
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If I still were working and living close to where I worked, I would seriously consider an EV. My commute was on the order of 3-4 miles (7 mins driveway to desk), so an EV could easily be charged maybe weekly at off-peak times. Now, after retiring, a run to town is a 3.5 mile average trip, a bit more if I make several stops. Nearest Walmart is a 28 mile round trip, a trip to the "big city" of Salisbury MD is a 160 mile round trip. To go South incurs a $20 toll in addition to whatever distance, but averages about 130 miles.
I, at present can't afford a new EV and untill there is some hard data on battery life and replacement costs, I would be extremely leery of buying a used EV. As far as charging, even being in the sticks, the Royal Farms stations have Tesla Superchargers at them, probably because US13 is still a major North-South route.
I, at present can't afford a new EV and untill there is some hard data on battery life and replacement costs, I would be extremely leery of buying a used EV. As far as charging, even being in the sticks, the Royal Farms stations have Tesla Superchargers at them, probably because US13 is still a major North-South route.
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It's the same for the opposite...
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It really isn't. There are no headline news stories saying "Joe loves his new Volt and has had no problems with it!"
There are stories about cars catching fire but that's been true as long as I've been alive.
Unless you mean stories gushing over the latest features of the latest EV, but they do that for gasoline cars, too.
There are 20,000 mile rated tires available for the Chrysler 300. A few years back I’d have burned through those easily in a year. These have the same wear ratings as some Tesla tires. The only difference is Tesla has those quick wearing tires as OEM on some models. The 300 had longer wearing tires as OEM, but some Challengers had those rapid wear tires as OEM.
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All I can say is if I had burn through one set, and then a second set, on the THIRD set I'd for sure be purchasing a much longer tread life set. Also, typically EV's are mated with low rolling resistance tires which by their very nature tend to be harder compounds.
Anyway, my sister in law has a 2017 Model 3 and they've still got the stock OEM tires on it. And they've driven it at least 50,000 miles by now.
These will go away as EV become more and more
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That is where I am at as well. Nor do I need to replace either vehicle at this time. I get the savings to be had by operating/owning an EV vs ICE.
However, there are upfront costs that are the killer- for me anyway. In addition to the purchase price of the EV vehicle, there is the cost of a level 2 charger at your home unless you plan on charging at a public charger (assuming one is nearby) and electric rates for those are higher than residential charges or one charges using 110v which is much slower. FWIW - there is only one public charging station in our county - a local Sheetz has 8 Tesla Superchargers.
Another cost not often discussed is road taxes. Currently, only a few states are assessing any sort of road tax for EV vehicles. Here in VA, road taxes are collected via the fuel taxes on gasoline and diesel. EV owners are essentially paying no road tax. EV owners may not be paying any road tax now, but it is coming. Either by a yearly fee or tax per miles driven.
Personally, I admit I would be a good candidate for an EV. I work from home and barely drive 500 miles per month. Most of my driving is within 15 miles of the house at most (most often withing 3 miles) and we only go to town (35 miles away) maybe once or twice a month. But as I noted, our current finances dictate another vehicle whether it be used or new, ICE or EV, are not in the cards at the moment.
Again, I'm not against EV's. They are just not in the cards at the moment.
Having been in several Toyota hybrids, various Prius of different generations owned by relatives plus a few RAV4, including a 4 month rental, I like the 4xe hybrid interface much better.
I see a lot of complaints, but so many of them are people thinking the 4xe is an electric vehicle with a gasoline motor for emergency use only.
It’s not. If you let the hybrid do it’s thing it works pretty well.
I see a lot of complaints, but so many of them are people thinking the 4xe is an electric vehicle with a gasoline motor for emergency use only.
It’s not. If you let the hybrid do it’s thing it works pretty well.
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