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The Bronco was stock except for safety gear: roll cage, harnesses, seats and fire equipment. It had the optional 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 and 10-speed auto.

“We had some stretches of hard-packed roads that were made for Bronco, topping 100 mph in some of the dry lake beds,” said Groves. “Baja mode [one of the GOAT driving modes] was especially helpful in this terrain. It keeps shift points at just the right rpm to keep the turbos spooled up so power is there when you need it and brakes are more aggressive to slow quickly for rough terrain.”

This Bronco ran on stock 33-inch BFGoodrich all-terrain tires, Dana 44 AdvanTEK M220 rear axle and M210 independent front suspension with Spicer Performa-Trak electronic lockers, and with long-travel Bilstein coil-over shocks and position-sensitive dampers. The Badlands trim includes a front sway-bar disconnect.

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2021 Ford Bronco places third in NORRA Mexican 1000 Baja rally | Autoblog
 

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So it runs offroad better than Jeeps, and runs onroad better than Jeeps? Bob Sheaves was absolutely dead-on right - and his bosses were too cheep to go through with it.
 

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So it runs offroad better than Jeeps, and runs onroad better than Jeeps? Bob Sheaves was absolutely dead-on right - and his bosses were too cheep to go through with it.
Hopefully some serious competition will only make Jeep better.
 

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Both the Bronco and Raptor are aimed at running off-road, desert-running and handling moderate rock crawling. They are also great on-road.

Ford seems content with letting Wrangler own the most extreme rocks while it covers everything else.

The TRX was a great response to the Raptor. The TRX is the current king of pickups.

Can Stellantis take the Wrangler and respond to the Bronco in a similar way that the TRX responded to the Raptor?

That is the BILLION dollar question!
 
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Both the Bronco and Raptor are aimed at running off-road, desert-running and handling moderate rock crawling. They are also great on-road.

Ford seems content with letting Wrangler own the most extreme rocks while it covers everything else.

The TRX was a great response to the Raptor. The TRX is the current king of pickups.

Can Stellantis take the Wrangler and respond to the Bronco in a similar way that the TRX responded to the Raptor?

That is the BILLION dollar question!
Really, the Wrangler is probably the wrong platform, though it can be refitted with an independent suspension, at a cost... and I thought given its high volume, it would have made sense to do it both ways anyway: an independent suspension that is superior for 95% of owners, and the solid axles for the “true Jeepers” who will do serious and well thought out modifications. I said as much. Bob Sheaves had some speculation at the time and we even heard rumors of an independent suspension.

But to take on Bronco, they'd really do better either with a modified Ram 1500, such as TRX but sans Hellcat, or something custom engineered for that purpose, which means a three year delay before their response.

IMHO, this is what the Cherokee should have been, but they were in a hurry, which is understandable, and short on budget, which is understandable. The Cherokee replacement would probably be ideal as a counter.

Fiat must have known what Ford was working on, so one has to wonder why the Compass is more of a smartened-up Renegade than a Bronco competitor.
 

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One might consider the Gladiator Mohave the first FCA/Stellantis venture into that territory Bronco is aiming for. The rumored 2021 Mohave version of Wrangler hasn’t appeared.
 

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C&D seem to be having a rough time with their Mojave Gladiator...


If the only thing that Wrangler can do better is get over big rocks, then that certainly leaves a lot of potential for sales for Bronco as a competitor. The percentage of people who do extreme off-roading with their Jeep is pretty small, so both of these vehicles offer far more capability than most people will ever need.

I know I'll be looking at both when the time comes.
 
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Really, the Wrangler is probably the wrong platform, though it can be refitted with an independent suspension, at a cost... and I thought given its high volume, it would have made sense to do it both ways anyway: an independent suspension that is superior for 95% of owners, and the solid axles for the “true Jeepers” who will do serious and well thought out modifications. I said as much. Bob Sheaves had some speculation at the time and we even heard rumors of an independent suspension.

But to take on Bronco, they'd really do better either with a modified Ram 1500, such as TRX but sans Hellcat, or something custom engineered for that purpose, which means a three year delay before their response.

IMHO, this is what the Cherokee should have been, but they were in a hurry, which is understandable, and short on budget, which is understandable. The Cherokee replacement would probably be ideal as a counter.

Fiat must have known what Ford was working on, so one has to wonder why the Compass is more of a smartened-up Renegade than a Bronco competitor.
Because Renegade and Compass are first and foremost about Europe.
 

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Because Renegade and Compass are first and foremost about Europe.
But they, especially Renegade, are the vehicles you will be stored toward if you want a small, economical vehicle from a CDJR dealer in the US.
 
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The Ford Raptor and Ram TRX utilize active suspensions. That gives them incredible stability, control and ride.

The Bronco Sasquatch suspension is not as sophisticated, but uses active dampening that delivers a much more sophisticated ride than the Wrangler's.

Rumor is that the Bronco Warthog will offer 500hp and an active suspension similar to the Raptor/TRX.

There is nothing wrong with the Wrangler except it is using old tech against modern tech. It is like a carbureted engine vs fuel injection.
 
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Because Renegade and Compass are first and foremost about Europe.
But Renegade/Compass would sell in North America if they offered a decent powerplant and had better interiors. Compass exterior styling is very attractive. Renegade utility is good, like a Kia Soul but with AWD.
 
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But Renegade/Compass would sell in North America if they offered a decent powerplant and had better interiors. Compass exterior styling is very attractive. Renegade utility is good, like a Kia Soul but with AWD.
Renegade was all about Europe. I'll give you that. But Compass? In the US that's a massive market.
 
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