Look at slide 51. 100% of light duty range (everything but Ram) in North America will offer a PHEV for 2025! That's an all new range for Chrysler and Dodge within 4 years (possibly excluding Pacifica).
We’ve heard that many times here about all the new vehicles coming for Dodge and Chrysler, and yet NONE have materialized. It’s still Charger, Challenger, Durango, 300 and Pacifica...as it has been for several years. Of course they’ve dropped Dart, 200, Journey and Caravan. Am I missing any?
I’m looking forward to seeing what does come, however I’m rather skeptical until they are closer to actually being produced, as are others here. I think that’s a rather prudent outlook from a business standpoint, as unless the rules of business have suddenly changed to the point where bills are paid by “what’s coming” vs what’s actually being produced?
We know when new vehicles are actually coming....we see mules and pre-production units out in the real world. The camo prevents us from getting too much detail, but we know something is afoot.
So far, all these mythical Dodge vehicles exist as electrons on the pages of Allpar. We have not seen a credible mule yet.
...and please spare us from the "they are hidden" nonsense. So far, not one new product from FCA has been hidden until reveal. We always saw mules on the road.
So we have following situation. There will be no Stellantis US product on PSA platform before 2025 or there will be Stellantis US products before that date but they will be on FCA platforms.
I mean, they're more then half way there to do that. Most models either have a hybrid variant sold here, or elsewhere. Other's have a year or so wait, by the looks of it.
The ones that don't have a variant probably will just get them next update, which will make for one heck of a 2023.
It'll be great for all RWD-biased vehicles.
By itself, it'll get better numbers then the 5.7L, and with hybrid tech, it'll make the N/A Hemi's pretty obsolete.
I haven't read too much about PHEV's, and this may have been discussed about in other threads, but an article I came across in a magazine, it happened to mention there are at least 4 different configurations for the plugs on electric vehicles.
One thing that all the automakers should have agreed upon from the very beginning was 1 plug configuration.
So when they install all these charging stations, all across the country, are all going to be vehicle-specific, in that you will have to find the charger that fits your vehicle?
Or, you will need adaptors that will allow you to connect to a charger that may have a different style connector than your car was built for?
I haven't read too much about PHEV's, and this may have been discussed about in other threads, but an article I came across in a magazine, it happened to mention there are at least 4 different configurations for the plugs on electric vehicles.
One thing that all the automakers should have agreed upon from the very beginning was 1 plug configuration.
So when they install all these charging stations, all across the country, are all going to be vehicle-specific, in that you will have to find the charger that fits your vehicle?
Or, you will need adaptors that will allow you to connect to a charger that may have a different style connector than your car was built for?
Heard Stellantis is bringing back the all the original Pentastar Cars as electric.
Plymouth will have the least "range" and Imperial will have the most with all the other brands filling in the gaps.
Very simple and efficient and just as good a rumor as all of yours!!!
Superb.
Now that we know, for absolute certainty, that there will be a full line-up of makes and models, I wonder what color I should order for my new M-body Fury (with transverse torsion bars, as God intended !!!).
I've always said - if you don't like the rumor, make up your own.
And don't be stingy with creativity.
Your book is filled with personal attacks, and I don't think that casts you in a positive light. If you disagree with me or anyone else, don't hide behind your "perceived" knowledge that somehow we are supposed to take as gospel. You leave yourself, respectfully, wide open for a future I told you so moment, if you happen to be wrong. Given the current merger environment, only eminent products are sure things. Everything else in the future is in a fluid state, dependent on things that could change in a moment's notice.
I have seen a lot of conversation about electric/recharge cars, but little conversation about cost per charge. So today I set out to ask Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo about the cost.
Not sure I know more than before.
There are several examples online about how many miles you drive in a month against electricity cost per KW used. The problem I saw as a layman against all assumptions the KW ($ .22 cost) was the critical factor. All examples I saw said/assumed we would pay the same rate as your home for charging. Call me crazy but I can't see my provider (Dominion) charging the same rate for charging stations as residential rates.
I did find a charging station about 10 miles from my house, a free standing one. The charge is $5.95 + $0.20 a minute.Don't know how to calculate the time element.
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Hello everybody
I am from France and I must say that I am very surprised at your negative comments on PSA and its cars.
Basically, the question does not arise. PSA cars will arrive in North America to fill Chrysler and Dodge's bottom lineup with 1.3T GSE, 1.6T PURETECH and possibly 2.0T GME.
Chrysler = DS
Dodge = Peugeot
I see the exact same equation and set of engines for North America. Chrysler should be matched with DS, Dodge with Peugeot and the engines 1.3T GSE, 1.6T Prince and 2.0T GME.
Fiat, Lancia and Maserati have none, Alfa sold fewer vehicles in Europe than one Lancia.
EMP2 and 1.6T Prince could cover 60% of the US market.
eVMP is irrelevant for the US market. The growth here is for MHEV, HEV and PHEV, that means EMP2 v3 is important. BEV is for markets where it is mandated and heavily subsidized, which won't be the US outside of California.
@StellD
That's right. Giorgio wasn't the only Italian platform in FCA world.
@Erik Latranyi
I'm criticizing PSA mechanical impoverishment and I had explained it many times. Impoverishment in comparison to FCA.
I want product with high mechanical content. I don't hide it.
We know what PSA platforms can offer. It's not a secret. They may be cheap and they have production scale in Europe. But they are not good for Jeep or premium brands or even if you want efficient use of interior space.
Insulting people? I'm not doing it but I will say when someone doesn't know what is going behind the scene in terms of development. And they are doing a lot for Dodge.
At least I'm not xenophobic.
@StellD
That's right. Giorgio wasn't the only Italian platform in FCA world.
@Erik Latranyi
I'm criticizing PSA mechanical impoverishment and I had explained it many times. Impoverishment in comparison to FCA.
I want product with high mechanical content. I don't hide it.
We know what PSA platforms can offer. It's not a secret. They may be cheap and they have production scale in Europe. But they are not good for Jeep or premium brands or even if you want efficient use of interior space.
Insulting people? I'm not doing it but I will say when someone doesn't know what is going behind the scene in terms of development. And they are doing a lot for Dodge.
At least I'm not xenophobic.
You insulted me, and I'm far from xenophobic. I want this merger to work for everyone's good. You could word your comments more like this, "I've got a bit of info that points to Dodge or Chrysler getting something new. Not 100% certain, but it's encouraging."
If anyone's new to Allpar and see's this: just know: this is Allpar.
Also: I think people still forget how much money it takes to make a car.
It's funny that the money related to problems is talked about, but then money for new product is never, but you can definitely tell 14 brand new cars for 2 US brands are on their way by 2023....
What I'd like to see is a person running the company that has all their interests from each region ran as ONE entity. That never happened under FCA and DaimlerChrysler before it. It can be done, but Tavares needs to really be in charge and have people in top positions around the world that he can trust. Given the past, that's a very very tall order, but it needs done.
Well you have a point. The merger in some ways took place. We have the results right in front of us. Chrysler and Dodge virtually gone, Ram and Jeep are left. Exactly what would've happened if a merger with GM had happened.
We have the best minivan ever and the best muscle cars ever. We would never have had those cars.
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