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That's fine, but Wagoneer was never it's own brand in the first place. It was a Jeep. That is how people in the Jeep community think of it--not as a separate thing with separate capabilities.

Their lack of confidence in their own design shows with the huge Grand Wagoneer lettering on the front and rear of the vehicle. If the design was distinctive and recognizable enough, they wouldn't need to do that. It looks really cheap, like what other copycat makes do with their SUVs.
It is still a Jeep. You either don't understand the concept of sub-branding or just don't care to, but would rather take the time to complain about it.
 

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I love just about everything, however I am super bummed that it is a concept.....ugh be another 4 years before its available...:(
Spring 2021. The Warren Truck Plant is currently being retooled. This pretty much is the production vehicle. Differences between this and the production version will be minimal.
 

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Ok, so I’m still confused about the whole Wagoneer vs Grand Wagoneer thing. So this is the concept for Grand Wagoneer, is there still to be a Wagoneer to be revealed, or this concept is for Wagoneer/GrandW??
Think along the lines of a dressed-down business casual version of the concept you see here and you'll have the Wagoneer. No major differences in design, wheelbase, etc.
 

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Ok, so it’s growing on me. Lol. The interior didn’t take any effort to win me over. Seriously though, how many vehicles hit a home run in the exterior AND interior styling? There’s always going to be one or the other that maybe you don’t care as much for. I don’t hate the exterior, but I love the interior, and the interior is what you’ll be seeing the most of for any vehicle.
 

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They left off Jeep badging to signify that this is a vehicle pursuing a different strategy than the rest of the Jeep lineup. It's a sub-brand like Corvette or Mustang, neither of which (as far as I can remember) have Chevrolet or Ford badges.
This seems very much like what the former Chrysler Corporation did with IMPERIAL in the 1950's.

The key here is that the quality, buying experience, and after-purchase customer care EQUAL OR EXCEED the marketing...not to mention the competition!
 

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Think along the lines of a dressed-down business casual version of the concept you see here and you'll have the Wagoneer. No major differences in design, wheelbase, etc.
Ok. There have been so many threads and posts, it’s hard to keep track anymore. Thanks!
 

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Yeah, I like that! I wonder if there’ll be a TrailHawk version as well?
With all the talk about it being the glass house compared to a cabin in the woods, I doubt it. But they did mention three 4WD systems, so maybe one of those will be a Trailhawk. I hope so!
 
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With all the talk about it being the glass house compared to a cabin in the woods, I doubt it. But they did mention three 4WD systems, so maybe one of those will be a Trailhawk. I hope so!
I think it’d be interesting to see it in a more rugged form...perhaps for the Wagoneer version. If not, not the end of the world.
 

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How many of you were around when the 1994 Dodge Ram 1500 was introduced ? It had a very controversial design but over the course of a few years Dodge/RAM really started to hit it's stride. Jeep has to explore new territories whether the off road faithfuls like it or not they have to evolve as a brand and this is a big step in that direction. It might not appease to everyone's tastes but to bring new customers over from Higher End products like Range Rover or Mercedes who might not have ever thought that JEEP would be a viable option for their lifestyle or taste. I honestly think they did a phenomenal job with the design of the exterior and the interior is damn near class leading and I am not even talking about the Big 3 it is damn near close to bespoke levels of refinement. This is the first of a new Vision for the Jeep Brand give it some time because it will bring new faces into our community and new faces brings more product and then we can build the rest of the Brands Up from there.
 

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I was very much around at that time. I ordered a brand new 95 Ram 1500 Sport in black. But they had nowhere to go but up at that time, so they took a chance. This design which combined big rig look with the 1948 then new Dodge truck was a huge success. I'm not sure they are in that situation here. This is a "safe" first design and with the help of the interior will sell some. I think the power train will make or break it.
 

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A slightly skirted rear fender with a sculpted streak running to the back was perhaps Wagoneer’s most distinctive design element.

If anyone could have pulled it off brilliantly on this Wagoneer, it was Ralph.

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24" wheels probably won't make it to production. But I don't know - Cadillac has committed to 23" and 24" wheels in upcoming products, so Jeep could do it too. They actually look good on this size of vehicle.
How would 24" tires affect the ride on a upscale vehicle like this? Usually short sidewalls make the bumps a little more pronounced, compared to a taller sidewall.
 

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I was very much around at that time. I ordered a brand new 95 Ram 1500 Sport in black. But they had nowhere to go but up at that time, so they took a chance. This design which combined big rig look with the 1948 then new Dodge truck was a huge success. I'm not sure they are in that situation here. This is a "safe" first design and with the help of the interior will sell some. I think the power train will make or break it.
If it was safe then why are a lot of people talking about it ???? I see it differently I see it as it isn't in the NORM people are complaining about the B,C.D pillars not being blacked out the grill and such. Sorry but when was a FCA vehicle the NORM the only one I know of has been the Wrangler it evolves pretty much like the earth evolves takes millenniums for it to change.
 
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