Allpar Forums banner

621 - 640 of 671 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
119 Posts
His opinion lost all credibility right after he said it was not coming for another two years. It goes into production early next year.

Oh god, I can't get past the first 2 seconds in his videos when he gets really dramatic with his pronunciation of "this."
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
331 Posts
FCA's new playbook must be to make generic toned down designs. Perhaps the same design team that did the Ram came up with this. I agree with the poster in him saying Jeep threw away branding with this. Ram did the same thing with the DT. They also seemed to be obsessed with the unibrow look.
We all are hoping for a new redesigned Charger and Challenger. If the Ram and the GW are examples of what we would get, then keep making the current generations. At least they aren't generic, toned down, look alikes of other vehicles.
LOL. It's a good thing nobody here is the head of design as it would play to only a small number of people. Do I always agree with FCA designs? No, but just remember when everyone was saying the new Ram looked ugly this is the model that took second place from Chevy so they did indeed get it right. Listing to RG in the live debut sounds like they have a target consumer they where listing to so lets see what happens. I personally like this inside and out clean outside with bold front and rear and a wow cabin.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,372 Posts
His opinion lost all credibility right after he said it was not coming for another two years. It goes into production early next year.
In reply #546, I promised myself I wouldn't name any names of those whose auto reviews involved a style or a delivery I didn't much care for.
But......Since you've already broken the ice...

Doug DeMuro is one of those on my list.;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,082 Posts
Maybe people are not liking the design well because the original wasn’t a SUV, it was marketed as a Station wagon. And they tried to force the design on a larger SUV.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,139 Posts
He hit the nail on the head though really.
It's not a Grand Wagoneer except in name. It would make a nice Commander though.
I was looking at the Chinese Grand Commander, and there is some similarities on the side and rear.
 

·
Resident Photoshop Nerd
Joined
·
7,996 Posts
I was looking at the Chinese Grand Commander, and there is some similarities on the side and rear.
Not the Grand Commander. Just Commander. I don't count the Jeeps that are not sold here, they're not part of this market.
 

·
Resident Photoshop Nerd
Joined
·
7,996 Posts
Maybe people are not liking the design well because the original wasn’t a SUV, it was marketed as a Station wagon. And they tried to force the design on a larger SUV.
Except they didn't. They didn't force one iota of Wagoneer into the design. Maybe people are bitter because they've been teasing SJ designs all the way up until the release, that maybe they expected it to have.. Something from the original.. maybe just something other than the grille crown and the name?
 

·
Resident Photoshop Nerd
Joined
·
7,996 Posts
In reply #546, I promised myself I wouldn't name any names of those whose auto reviews involved a style or a delivery I didn't much care for.
But......Since you've already broken the ice...

Doug DeMuro is one of those on my list.;)
He does jump from place to place a lot... Wasnt he with Auto trader for a minute? Makes me wonder why he's bouncing around so much.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
607 Posts
The side view with its chunky pillars was reminding me of something, and it finally hit me what it was: The second-generation Isuzu Trooper. My mom had one of those, I thought it was a great-looking truck. (Pic here if you need a reminder...I'm not saying they're identical twins.)

Now that I've had time to think about it, the blacked-out pillars make it look a bit too much like a Lincoln or GM SUV. I think that would've been the "me-too" direction. The body-colored pillars telegraph "ruggedness"...which, fair enough, some people may feel is incompatible with "premium".

Ideally, Jeep would just offer different trim levels with and without blacked-out pillars, and let customers buy their preference. That or put the blacked-out pillars on Grand Wagoneer, and leave the body-colored pillars for Wagoneer.

Edit: Also, I think this would have gone over better if they had chosen any color other than white for this reveal. :rolleyes:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,139 Posts
Except they didn't. They didn't force one iota of Wagoneer into the design. Maybe people are bitter because they've been teasing SJ designs all the way up until the release, that maybe they expected it to have.. Something from the original.. maybe just something other than the grille crown and the name?
The problem is that the expectation of having SJ design elements came for the people themselves..
 

·
Mopar02
Joined
·
31 Posts
Oh god, I can't get past the first 2 seconds in his videos when he gets really dramatic with his pronunciation of "this."
He reviews a bunch of cool cars, but lost credibility in this video when he said this was a response to the attention the Bronco was getting. A concept like this was planned several years in advance. Not to mention he said it was two years off, when FCA has already said it would be built in Q2 of 2021.

Just because the Bronco went retro, and did so successfully doesn't mean that every old nameplate needs to be a carbon copy of the original. And 99.99% of the people complaining about it were never in the target audience or seriously considering one.

Same for the people who complain about the Charger being a sedan--which has been quite successful for FCA and has found many, many happy buyers. If automakers listened to people on internet forums they would be out of business. Lots of people complain about the lack of manual transmissions but never buy them. They wait for a second hand one on the used market.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
188 Posts
Good idea. How about just removing it and adding a sharp body line to join the fog lights...
I think it looks much better with your changes.

IMO the blacked out pillars and removal of Jeep's riff on the Hofmeister kink do wonders for the side profile of the greenhouse.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
6,894 Posts
What if the whole C pillar was Stainless steel/polished aluminum??
Would look good in the bronze-chrome finish that the rest of the trim has.
 
621 - 640 of 671 Posts
Top