[Dave Z]

Wagoneer’s Hurricane power cuts gas guzzling

The Jeep Wagoneer with rear wheel drive and the base 5.7 Hemi engine is rated at 16 mpg city, 22 highway. Going to four wheel drive drops those numbers to 15 city, 20 highway—which, incidentally, is roughly the same as a 1990 Wagoneer with the four-liter six cylinder pushing out roughly half...

www.stellpower.com

In other news, by the way...
Grand Wagoneer gets unusual unanimous vote at Wards 10 Best
Dodge Challenger Keeps Winning Awards

 

[AceHanlon]

I'm actually surprised they were unanimous on the vote.

 

[DC-93]

Sit in one. You’ll see why!

 

[77 Monaco Brougham]

Wagoneer’s Hurricane power cuts gas guzzling

The Jeep Wagoneer with rear wheel drive and the base 5.7 Hemi engine is rated at 16 mpg city, 22 highway. Going to four wheel drive drops those numbers to 15 city, 20 highway—which, incidentally, is roughly the same as a 1990 Wagoneer with the four-liter six cylinder pushing out roughly half...

www.stellpower.com

In other news, by the way...
Grand Wagoneer gets unusual unanimous vote at Wards 10 Best
Dodge Challenger Keeps Winning Awards

Perhaps this might sound like a kind of sacrilege to the engineering types, but for those of us (like me) who care much more about fuel economy than all-out speed, I wish either a naturally aspirated version of this engine had been developed, or perhaps there could have been a way for the driver to be able to "turn off" the turbos to drive naturally breathing.

(Runs back to the mud hut as the mob assembles to chase after me with tar and feathers)

 

[Adventurer55]

Perhaps this might sound like a kind of sacrilege to the engineering types, but for those of us (like me) who care much more about fuel economy than all-out speed, I wish either a naturally aspirated version of this engine had been developed, or perhaps there could have been a way for the driver to be able to "turn off" the turbos to drive naturally breathing.

(Runs back to the mud hut as the mob assembles to chase after me with tar and feathers)

Or a model that is turned more for economy then all out HP and torque.

 

[serpens]

Perhaps this might sound like a kind of sacrilege to the engineering types, but for those of us (like me) who care much more about fuel economy than all-out speed, I wish either a naturally aspirated version of this engine had been developed, or perhaps there could have been a way for the driver to be able to "turn off" the turbos to drive naturally breathing.

(Runs back to the mud hut as the mob assembles to chase after me with tar and feathers)

Why bother when the Pentastar exists? Either way I doubt a NA 6-cylinder engine would've presented a very premium driving experience which runs counter to the Wagoneer's positioning.

 

[77 Monaco Brougham]

Why bother when the Pentastar exists? Either way I doubt a NA 6-cylinder engine would've presented a very premium driving experience which runs counter to the Wagoneer's positioning.

Not for the Wagoneer variants or the Cherokee / Grand Cherokee variants.
BUT...for a Compact or smaller sedan / hatch / cuv / coupe......
YES...YES...YES!

 

[Dave Z]

Perhaps this might sound like a kind of sacrilege to the engineering types, but for those of us (like me) who care much more about fuel economy than all-out speed, I wish either a naturally aspirated version of this engine had been developed, or perhaps there could have been a way for the driver to be able to "turn off" the turbos to drive naturally breathing.

(Runs back to the mud hut as the mob assembles to chase after me with tar and feathers)

It would get lower fuel economy if you shut off the turbos. The standard output Hurricane is more economy tuned. This is the high output.
Really the 4xe is the one you're looking for.
Some of the engineering types care about fuel economy, too.

 

[Cleffy]

You can only do so much for MPG when the vehicle weighs over 6k lbs.

 

[kb9mzx]

It would get lower fuel economy if you shut off the turbos. The standard output Hurricane is more economy tuned. This is the high output.
Really the 4xe is the one you're looking for.
Some of the engineering types care about fuel economy, too.

The best match of powertrain and vehicle for our family (4 athletic sons, average 25k miles a year per vehicle) would be a Wagoneer L Series III 4xe. With the Hurricane-based 4xe project looking like it's getting cut in favor of BEV development, I'm unhappily looking at what other options I can make work, when I'm ready to pull the trigger in a couple years.

 

[Dave Z]

Ha! The best match would probably be a Pacifica...

 

[Mopar392]

And here is Cadillac coming up with a 680+hp Escalade

2023 Cadillac Escalade-V Has 682-HP Supercharged V8, Costs $149,990

The Cadillac Escalade-V is a high-performance full-size SUV with 682 horsepower, upgraded suspension, and a $150,000 price tag.

www.motor1.com

 

[Dave Z]

680 is more than 510... but $150,000 is more than $110,000.

As the driver of a car, not a Sherman tank, I do not think it's great news that six ton vehicles are being outfitted with sports car acceleration.

 

[AceHanlon]

680 is more than 510... but $150,000 is more than $110,000.

As the driver of a car, not a Sherman tank, I do not think it's great news that six ton vehicles are being outfitted with sports car acceleration.

Agreed. I don't understand why they keep giving these cars insane HP. Everytime they do it I think of the older population that generally doesn't want that i.e my grandmother.

 

[Mopar392]

It’s the same reason for the guys who purchased the 710hp Durango Hellcat.

 

[serpens]

Personally I think it's long overdue. They're not going to sell in huge numbers but Cadillac has been leaving money on the table for years.

 

[HellcatPete]

Agreed. I don't understand why they keep giving these cars insane HP. Everytime they do it I think of the older population that generally doesn't want that i.e my grandmother.

Sorry about your grandmother. I’m a great grandfather with a Hellcat Charger and a 392 Wrangler.
Can’t get enough horsepower!! For a backup I’m thinking 2000 HP electric Charger in ‘24.
YAHOO!!

 

[77 Monaco Brougham]

680 is more than 510... but $150,000 is more than $110,000.
As the driver of a car, not a Sherman tank, I do not think it's great news that six ton vehicles are being outfitted with sports car acceleration.

Well......Now there's only one obvious way for Ma Stella to up the ante on Cadillac in the horsepower wars.
They're going to have to drop in the Gas Turbine engine from the Chrysler M1 Abrams Tank into the Grand Wagoneer!

 

[1s1k]

I would have to real world numbers to believe the turbo 6 will be any better.
The EPA test is driven like you have an egg between your foot and the pedal. In a heavy vehicle in normal driving you’re going to be deep into the boost all the time which makes them very thirsty.

 

[valiant67]

The EPA cycle is all that counts when it comes figuring fines and penalties. It would be nice if EPA tightened the process a bit.