The Feds have moved financial incentives to electric cars & away from Flex-Fuel.
Does the Pacifica have start-stop or Hybrid?
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Does the Pacifica have start-stop or Hybrid?
I just bought a 2023 Chrysler Pacifica Touring L.
Reading the manual, ( I know.., I know, no real man one reads the manual), and I notice it recommends the use of only E15. In my previous 3 T&C's, all with the aluminum 3.6 liter engine, they always were listed as 'flex-fuel' vehicles and the use of E85 was listed as an approved fuel.
What changed to cause Chrysler to not recommend E85? I thought the engines were basically the same 3.6 liter with a bump up to 287 Hp from 283, and the trans went from six speeds up to eight speeds What else changed that removed the flex-fuel designation and what year did that start. I think I remember reading somewhere that the 2017's were E85 approved.
What changed to cause Chrysler to not recommend E85? I thought the engines were basically the same 3.6 liter with a bump up to 287 Hp from 283, and the trans went from six speeds up to eight speeds What else changed that removed the flex-fuel designation and what year did that start. I think I remember reading somewhere that the 2017's were E85 approved.
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As an aside, I think the main reason for ending E85 subsidies was the fact that almost nobody with flex fuel vehicles used E85.
I didn't see any real substantial advantage using E85 vs E10/E15. Yes, the fuel was cheaper, but fuel mileage was down a corresponding amount.As an aside, I think the main reason for ending E85 subsidies was the fact that almost nobody with flex fuel vehicles used E85.
I never did see a station in our region that had E85 available.
If you want a flex fuel vehicle I would recommend the Dodge Demon 170.
It's pretty regional. I haven't seen any near where I live, I think I've seen a couple in deep dark Pennsylvania on the rural routes.I didn't see any real substantial advantage using E85 vs E10/E15. Yes, the fuel was cheaper, but fuel mileage was down a corresponding amount.
I never did see a station in our region that had E85 available.
The 3.6 in a Grand Caravan/Town & Country is not the same 3.6 the Pacifica uses. The Pacifica uses the PUG 3.6, which was an update to the original version to decrease emissions, and possibly to better implement the Atkinson-cycle the Hybrid uses. Mixed with 9 forward gears, there was probably no need to have the engine also tuned to use E85.... on top of what both Imperial and Dave have said.
It may be to limit parts. E85 requires some better fuel lines, fuel injectors and a fuel pump to deal with the increased amount of fuel needed per combustion and fuel line degradation from ethanol; but that would just be speculation.
in the 2016 3.6 revisions they ended the flex fuel due to low octane fuels causing premature wear
the 2016 revisions the the 3.6 saw the end of flex fuel. low octane cheap fuel was causing premature engine wear
E85 might keep America rolling along in case the unthinkable happened in the Persian Gulf & the petroleum supply got tight.
As with what is happening in Ukraine right now, corn/maize may be needed for food.
As with what is happening in Ukraine right now, corn/maize may be needed for food.
We have plenty of our own crude but not the will to take it out of the ground and the reserve has been dwindled.E85 might keep America rolling along in case the unthinkable happened in the Persian Gulf & the petroleum supply got tight.
As with what is happening in Ukraine right now, corn/maize may be needed for food.
Sheetz n Rutter’s have it all over the stateIt's pretty regional. I haven't seen any near where I live, I think I've seen a couple in deep dark Pennsylvania on the rural routes.
The Pacifica is available as a plug-in hybrid and the gas engines all have the Start/Stop tech. You can turn it off with a button on the dash, but it resets itself every time you shut down the engine. It works better than I thought it would. The engine restart is quick as soon as you take your foot off the brake pedal, but I've started turning it off as soon as I start the engine as I think it's got to be not that great for long life of the starter and more wear on the battery. The engine definitely has a different sound from my previous 2011 and 2013 3.6 T&C's. It's quieter and the start-up is definitely quicker. It's chock full of electronics, which are fun to play with, but there have been a couple of glitches with the system booting up on start-up, although since those glitches happened right after I got it, it hasn't done it again. There is no way to manually shift through the gears on the 9 speed with only an option to hold it in low gear. After always having to reach for a gear shift lever for the past 60 years, it's taken a while to get used to turning a dial to shift from reverse to forward after backing out of my driveway. (I did own a '63 Plymouth Sport Fury for a while back around 1966 and 1967 that had the push-button Torqueflite.) The 9-speed definitely helps with the gas mileage as the engine seldom gets much over 1500-2000 RPM in normal driving. I do miss the rear windows that used to swing out and provide more air movement through the car when driving. The lane-holding feature that nudges you back to the center of your lane is kind of a neat thing, but I haven't had the courage to try the Park Assist system. The camera system that makes backing up quite easy would be much more useful if there were a way to keep it on while driving instead of it going off shortly after one shifts from reverse to forward. I don't know exactly how they do the overhead camera thing, showing how close you are to anything around the van, but that definitely helps when back up. All in all..., it's definitely an big improvement over my old 2013. Much quieter and smoother riding, but they sure haven't improved the dealers methods of selling cars. I had to watch like a hawk to make sure they didn't sneak anything onto the paperwork when negotiating the price. I expected the low-ball approach when negotiating the trade-in value, but after getting everything all set, (I thought), when they get you in the finance guys office, suddenly there was a $999 fee for 'set-up' that they claimed was required by law. And after that was taken off, I noticed that the 'delivery fee' was suddenly a few hundred dollars more than shown on the Monrony sticker. It's no wonder car salesmen have the low reputation that they do. It's deserved!The Feds have moved financial incentives to electric cars & away from Flex-Fuel.
Does the Pacifica have start-stop or Hybrid?
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There are over 9,000 permits for drilling and extraction approved and just sitting in various oil company files, but not being used. We do have plenty of crude available, but much of it is either lower quality, high sulfur, acidic crude that will be more expensive to refine or requires 'fracking' to extract at a low enough cost to enable enough profit margin to make it useful. Also much of it sits close to the large fresh water aquifers in the central/northern parts of the US where fracking would endanger the water supply to a sizeable portion of the central/western US.We have plenty of our own crude but not the will to take it out of the ground and the reserve has been dwindled.
The end of gasoline powered vehicles is within sight, perhaps not in my lifetime, (I'm 75), but not all that much longer. Electric power is the future, in spite of Toyota trying to continue the use of internal combustion engines, albight with hydrogen fuel. I don't see it being useful as the infrastructure to use hydrogen as well as the problem with production of oxides of nitrogen being a powerful pollutant, unless the vehicle also carries a supply of fairly pure oxygen to prevent that. Electric power cost will make the cost of that prohibitive.
As an aside, I've found with more miles on my 2023 Pacifica, that the engine start/stop technology hasn't quite been perfected to the level that makes it's use acceptable. Too much lag in the restart when pulling out into traffic, at least here in suburban and city driving. The first thing I do after starting the engine is to push the button to turn it off! I also have concerns about the effect engine start/stop has on the life of the starter and the battery.
drill baby drillThere are over 9,000 permits for drilling and extraction approved and just sitting in various oil company files, but not being used. We do have plenty of crude available, but much of it is either lower quality, high sulfur, acidic crude that will be more expensive to refine or requires 'fracking' to extract at a low enough cost to enable enough profit margin to make it useful. Also much of it sits close to the large fresh water aquifers in the central/northern parts of the US where fracking would endanger the water supply to a sizeable portion of the central/western US.
The end of gasoline powered vehicles is within sight, perhaps not in my lifetime, (I'm 75), but not all that much longer. Electric power is the future, in spite of Toyota trying to continue the use of internal combustion engines, albight with hydrogen fuel. I don't see it being useful as the infrastructure to use hydrogen as well as the problem with production of oxides of nitrogen being a powerful pollutant, unless the vehicle also carries a supply of fairly pure oxygen to prevent that. Electric power cost will make the cost of that prohibitive.
As an aside, I've found with more miles on my 2023 Pacifica, that the engine start/stop technology hasn't quite been perfected to the level that makes it's use acceptable. Too much lag in the restart when pulling out into traffic, at least here in suburban and city driving. The first thing I do after starting the engine is to push the button to turn it off! I also have concerns about the effect engine start/stop has on the life of the starter and the battery.
So you’re saying you trust the future is electric vehicles, but you don’t trust the electric features of your current car?There are over 9,000 permits for drilling and extraction approved and just sitting in various oil company files, but not being used. We do have plenty of crude available, but much of it is either lower quality, high sulfur, acidic crude that will be more expensive to refine or requires 'fracking' to extract at a low enough cost to enable enough profit margin to make it useful. Also much of it sits close to the large fresh water aquifers in the central/northern parts of the US where fracking would endanger the water supply to a sizeable portion of the central/western US.
The end of gasoline powered vehicles is within sight, perhaps not in my lifetime, (I'm 75), but not all that much longer. Electric power is the future, in spite of Toyota trying to continue the use of internal combustion engines, albight with hydrogen fuel. I don't see it being useful as the infrastructure to use hydrogen as well as the problem with production of oxides of nitrogen being a powerful pollutant, unless the vehicle also carries a supply of fairly pure oxygen to prevent that. Electric power cost will make the cost of that prohibitive.
As an aside, I've found with more miles on my 2023 Pacifica, that the engine start/stop technology hasn't quite been perfected to the level that makes it's use acceptable. Too much lag in the restart when pulling out into traffic, at least here in suburban and city driving. The first thing I do after starting the engine is to push the button to turn it off! I also have concerns about the effect engine start/stop has on the life of the starter and the battery.
Your comment makes no sense. I made no comment about "trusting the future". Almost all future vehicles will be electric vehicles chock full of electronics, that is a fact!
Almost all of my working life was spent in the oil and petroleum business. It's been obvious for decades that burning 'fossil fuels' for transportation will be a vanishing technology. Petroleum will still be a large part of our future, but not as fuel for transportation.
Almost all of my working life was spent in the oil and petroleum business. It's been obvious for decades that burning 'fossil fuels' for transportation will be a vanishing technology. Petroleum will still be a large part of our future, but not as fuel for transportation.
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