[mentalicca]

While I fundamentally disagree with bringing an engine back that was pretty much on life support as it is, I can see one scenario where it could still be competitive enough. They need to mate it to the Gen4 ZF hybrid transmission. Make it a MHEV with a 2-3kwh battery. Regen should be fast on a battery that size, but then you can run stop/start and you can have the added benefit of 332lb-ft of additional low end torque. Maybe even let the electric motor run it in some scenarios up to 20mph (arbitrarily).

This would be a better setup in city driving than the hurricane currently is. Still, apples-to-apples, the hurricane would also do much better in that scenario as well.

 

[Dave Z]

This would be a better setup in city driving than the hurricane currently is. Still, apples-to-apples, the hurricane would also do much better in that scenario as well.

Apples to apples that would work with the Pentastar V6...! But you know, we gotta be cheep.

 

[mike1097]

Look at Ford's "Godzilla" truck engine, pushrod V8 and makes plenty of HP and torque. Available as a drop in package with a transmission and electronics. If I could afford one, I would stick the package in my 1986 F350.

I am disappointed they ceeded this to Ford. There was a 426 truck engine in development that was canceled like 7 years ago now. I have not forgot.

 

[mentalicca]

Apples to apples that would work with the Pentastar V6...! But you know, we gotta be cheep.

Right. But, to be fair, the hurricane actually beats the Pentastar in EPA fuel economy numbers (16/19/23 for the pentastar without eTorque, 17/19/24 for the hurricane SO). That said, the pentastar is certainly significantly cheaper to make, and could make for a very economical vehicle for the consumer.

 

[Dave Z]

Right. But, to be fair, the hurricane actually beats the Pentastar in EPA fuel economy numbers (16/19/23 for the pentastar without eTorque, 17/19/24 for the hurricane SO). That said, the pentastar is certainly significantly cheaper to make, and could make for a very economical vehicle for the consumer.

I wasn't even aware of that. Pretty fascinating. Turbos are really a terrific technology, used properly. Or they're a crappy unreliable crutch, used in Dodge Darts

 

[GasAxe]

Right. But, to be fair, the hurricane actually beats the Pentastar in EPA fuel economy numbers (16/19/23 for the pentastar without eTorque, 17/19/24 for the hurricane SO). That said, the pentastar is certainly significantly cheaper to make, and could make for a very economical vehicle for the consumer.

I think at one point it was leaked that the 5.7 was cheaper to manufacture than the Pentastar. I vaguely remember the plan dujour was a turbo four would replace the 3.6 first, then the TT6 would replace the Hemi. The 426 may still have been in that plan as well. Truly a masterful example of engine planning ineptitude.

 

[Dave Z]

I vaguely remember that. I think I'm the one who delivered the leak to you

 

[ShawnP]

I'm happy to get Hemi's to America.

Now for the HD's and another product for both Warren Truck and Belvidere.

Yes, yes I know it is at best speed a 18-24 month process.

I want all plants at 3 shifts with lots of OT for folks.

3 BVAP products. Never one issue on the 2 Neons and Cherokee.

3 WTAP products and never a major issue. Only a TPMS replacement needed at 25k. Did it myself and took under 30 minutes.

 

[GasAxe]

I vaguely remember that. I think I'm the one who delivered the leak to you

Don’t worry, I ain’t no snitch.

 

[Dave Z]

I'm not sure but I vaguely remember it.
I applaud the reopening of Belvidere but I'd like to see it with NEW product, not taking from somewhere else.

 

[HotCarNut]

Look at Ford's "Godzilla" truck engine, pushrod V8 and makes plenty of HP and torque. Available as a drop in package with a transmission and electronics. If I could afford one, I would stick the package in my 1986 F350.

That engine is only available for HD trucks, not 1500s which is the topic of this thread, and they can do that because the emissions criteria and fuel economy standards are WAY different for HD trucks. The 5.7L was never designed for that kind of duty cycle, and honestly the 6.4L truck version in the HDs is way behind in every respect.

If CDJR want to do a naturally aspirated V8, they need to invest in a significant upgrade and that would take a couple of years, even if they're "dusting off" previous work.

 

[Adventurer55]

That engine is only available for HD trucks, not 1500s which is the topic of this thread, and they can do that because the emissions criteria and fuel economy standards are WAY different for HD trucks. The 5.7L was never designed for that kind of duty cycle, and honestly the 6.4L truck version in the HDs is way behind in every respect.

If CDJR want to do a naturally aspirated V8, they need to invest in a significant upgrade and that would take a couple of years, even if they're "dusting off" previous work.

Unless they already had upgrades done. Then they could build them right into the new line.

 

[mentalicca]

Unless they already had upgrades done. Then they could build them right into the new line.

Except that implies that all the testing and validation is complete, which it definitely wouldn't be. They suck at keeping those sorts of secrets. Horsepower figures and so forth sure. But testing engines/upgrades comes out fairly early on.

I would say 1 year at a minimum, 2 years more likely, assuming the design/computer engineering work was underway or completely.

 

[HotCarNut]

Unless they already had upgrades done. Then they could build them right into the new line.

It would almost certainly require suppliers to re-tool and ramp up, and the line that the HEMIs were built on was converted to Hurricane production. It isn't like the worn out tooling has all that many engines left in it that would be within tolerance. The HEMI ran nearly 5 years beyond the original design life of the equipment from what I understand. Maintenance can only do so much. This is NOT as simple as flipping the line back on, and the fixes the HEMI needs (in addition to power & emissions upgrades) will take time for implementation.

 

[Adventurer55]

It would almost certainly require suppliers to re-tool and ramp up, and the line that the HEMIs were built on was converted to Hurricane production. It isn't like the worn out tooling has all that many engines left in it that would be within tolerance. The HEMI ran nearly 5 years beyond the original design life of the equipment from what I understand. Maintenance can only do so much. This is NOT as simple as flipping the line back on, and the fixes the HEMI needs (in addition to power & emissions upgrades) will take time for implementation.

Do we know for sure that the tooling is going to be the worn out variety? Is it possible that new or unused tooling from other plants won't be used here?

 

[WXman]

The ONLY reason they sold so many trucks was because when the DT first came out, every single dealer was selling trucks at 8-20k off sticker without any negotiation. After that, they stopped offering so much off and eventually the price started skyrocketing and dealers started charging above sticker price. If it was about V8, there wouldn't be so many unsold Hemi trucks sitting on lots. Yes, there is still a minority of buyers that are V8 only. But that number is getting smaller all the time.

UMM.... they're doing $8-20k off sticker today. I'm sitting here watching NCAA tourney games and Ram just did a $8k off for people trading in a Ford or GM advertisement five minutes ago.

People don't want the little, buzzy, unreliable I-6. That's just all there is to it.

 

[jsucha]

The 8000 has been there all month.
The engine is not buzzy. It is smooth and quiet. Drive one. I did and it changed my mind totally. I would have no problem giving up my Hemi for the Hurricane.

 

[Zagnut27]

The Hurricane is unreliable? Source?

 

[Adventurer55]

There hasn't been too many teething problems with the Hurricane. But, as an older potential buyer who would like to have one last new truck before I croak I welcome back the Hemi. It's a fairly simple design which I prefer at my age. A 1500 with it in it would do everything I could possibly ask for in a pickup. So maybe when our WL is paid off I'll go truck shopping.

 

[World14]

The Hurricane is unreliable? Source?

I don't think you'll get a reply back right away 😂