Have they said why they can’t trail rate them?
Not sure if they want to be honest about it, or they just don’t want to do it.In order to be a Trail Rated Jeep, the vehicle must pass five outlined criteria in order to place the Trail Rated medallion on its fender. The five criteria are traction, water fording, articulation, maneuverability, and ground clearance. The new Wagoneer models meet all of these criteria except one… maneuverability.
“These have off-road packages for 10-inches of ground clearance, skid plates, tow hooks, off-road all-terrain tires and are very capable but they are not a trail-size vehicle, so we haven’t Trail Rated these vehicles,” Vice President of Jeep Brand – North America, Jim Morrison.
Are there going to be very many buyers of such a vehicle that starts at $60,000 and goes over $100k? How many luxury ORV's with 35's will really sell? Full optioned out GW, Dana 44's F&R, locking difs, eSwaybars and heated/cooled cupholders. $120,000.Jeep should have replied with action rather than words.
Bronco made Jeep offers what a lot of people asked for in Wrangler.
Jeep said they can't trail-rate Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. I call BS. The platform already offers Rebel and TRX.
Wagoneer is not luxury. This is the one they can use.Are there going to be very many buyers of such a vehicle that starts at $60,000 and goes over $100k? How many luxury ORV's with 35's will really sell? Full optioned out GW, Dana 44's F&R, locking difs, eSwaybars and heated/cooled cupholders. $120,000.
Wasn’t Ram Rebel already tested on the trail??With regard to Wagoneer vs Expedition, take great care is discerning "Trail Rated" from "Off Road capable". I would surmise just based on the specs of the Wagoneer it is quite capable off road. However, what Jeep is actually saying when they won't trail rate it is that Trail Rated is based on the Rubicon course they set up, and generally speaking vehicles the size of Wagoneer are not a good fit for those trails.
Many trails have maximum widths, and anything over the width will get absolutely destroyed or stuck without destroying the trail. Running trails is something you are supposed to do responsibly and intelligently, not plow through like a madman.
And hmmm, would you look at that, Wagoneer offers on "Advanced All-Terrain Group" option on the series 2 as a $2,295 option. That option package is more than enough to compete (or beat) the Expedition.
I enjoy fun banter between companies like this, however I don't think Jeep is resting on their laurels with regard to the Timberline, it already had a package ready before this was revealed.
These are all excuses similar to when they said a HEMI can’t fit in the Wrangler and pass the federal requirements.I don’t think there’s a standard definition for “trail rated” though….I don’t think Renegade can make it through the Rubicon test…not sure about Compass. Correct me if I’m wrong. I think Mike Manley fought to keep certain standards, but I’m not so sure there Is a standard definition for trail rated.
Edit: here’s a MT article that may shed some light upon it:
Yet Renegade has the Trail-Rated badgeAnd here’s where Manley said he’s not sure Renegade could make it through the Rubicon:
Yup, it does have the badge. Thats why I say I don’t think it refers necessarily to the Rubicon test.These are all excuses similar to when they said a HEMI can’t fit in the Wrangler and pass the federal requirements.
Yet Renegade has the Trail-Rated badge
There should not be any "conversion". Trail rating should have been built-in as they do with the Grand Cherokee.They cannot convert Wagoneer to trail rating without diluting the trail rating system, period. They made that clear when they first introduced trail rating. Make a vehicle that wide and it is not trail rated.