Autocar is European based.Lower part of the segment? So it is smaller/cheaper? That's kind of what I was hoping for. Like something maybe around the size of the last Liberty.
Edit: Well Car&Driver says it'll start at $60k so that's running counter to what Autocar is saying. Starting at $60k is like the mid-to-high level of the Wrangler Market.
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That’s a combo that sounds good on paper, but don’t do great in real life. Unless the one I had was an anomaly, the 3.6 manual tune (which limits power to protect a weak clutch assembly from overheating) resulted in inconsistent and very peaky engine output. After the dealer confined all software was up to date and nothing changed, I used CarMax’s 30 day return policy to be rid of it and get an automatic.You can still buy a pretty basic wrangler for not so bad price. Low to mid 30s. In fact, 6 speed pentastar with rear LSD would be a fun package in my view.
That is still several years off. The last generation covered model years 2007-2018 with a 2012 mild refresh.When is the Wrangler getting redesigned?
Yep. Some people are doing their best to avoid the de-tuning program and are planning to install a proper clutch but are afraid any dealer visit will result in the power robbing reflash.Someone was unreasonably cheep, in other words?
I think two reasons for the big flaws we see in JL which are poor batteries, ambiguous steering, and weak clutches.Exactly. A mistake also made by Cerberus and Daimler. Mostly Fiat did not do this, and I wonder why they did it this time.
There is no guarantee of either.Will we see some sort of refresh then in 2024 with a new model by 28?
My guess is there was huge talent drain from JK development to JL development which made the cost cutting.Adding high fenders to one of the trim levels doesn’t seem like the result of a thorough redesign, which JL was supposed to be.
But therein lies the problem: JL was not a thorough redesign; FCA took JK’s underpinnings, added a new transmission, a new steering box, a complex dual-battery system, and a host of comfort creatures to be able to charge more money.
The rub is that now, when JL owners go in for warranty issues on the new steering or the dual batteries, they get the run around for months until the customer gives up or starts buyback proceedings.
Having owned a 2018 Renegade and a 2018 Jeep Cherokee (both 4 cylinf=der, AWD) I can say the behavior was not fixed by then. Both of them, around the 24k mile mark, developed an occasional harsh downshift - much worse than the well publicized bump shift of the early A604. I wasn't worried about the transmission failing, but when you're driving through a parking lot and it downshifts so hard it feels like someone hit the car, there were still issues.They weren’t quickly fixed though- I remember discussing this in many places when we were discussing it real time, such as here: Here come the new minivans (corrected)
The timing of Honda receiving a fix and Marchionne proclaiming they’ve fixed the issues was way too close together to believe there wasn’t any contact between ZF and FCA. You can do a search on the LR and Honda forums to verify if you so choose.
Yes I saw this rumor too.Rumors on the forums today about a refreshed 2024 Wrangler about to be announced. But they seem to be unsubstantiated for now.
Supposedly it is showing in Dealer Connect. Dave has this:If a refresh is coming, I think they would wait until Easter Jeep Safari to unveil it.
I don't expect any significant change in the powertrain (except maybe all-electric) but lots of excuses for higher prices.
I expect more options in reaction to Bronco.
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The problem is a fair number (probably not that many, but enough it is a bigger deal) dead stock JL and JT are having the problem.My 2014 JKU has Death Wobble, but I’m convinced it’s due to the low quality of the shocks in the MOPAR (rebranded TerraFlex) lift and a terrible alignment and balance done by the dealer who installed it. The lift was done prior to my ownership but was only about 8 months before I bought it. It’s prematurely worn the steering gear, probably due to the nasty vibration and constant stress due to the alignment and balance issues. Maybe also because the lift didn’t come with a high-steer kit for geometry correction like the AEV 3.5” does. I also need to replace the ball joints at 73k miles.
point being, JKs are susceptible as well.
I told the dealer they’d honor the affiliate prices or I’d go elsewhere. I know several dealers weren’t doing that back then. They even offered $500 better on my trade than I expected.When I got mine the lot still had a bunch of 2022s on it. What's weird is at least for the Wrangler and the Wrangler 4xe, the dealer really didn't love the idea of dealing. In fact one of the other dealerships kept flat out telling me that spec of 4xe (with a hitch and the power top) would be impossible to find. And yea compared to the Regular Sport Wrangler, they were harder to find, but the dealer I got mine at had 3 or 4 and all the other dealers had at least 1.
