Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 (Recon)

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Erik Latranyi

Discussion Starter · 3 mo ago

From the article:

The Recon will sit alongside the Wrangler, confirmed Jeep’s European boss, Antonella Bruno, but the two cars will have slightly different sizes and positions in the range.

“The Recon in Europe will be a white-space car,” said Bruno. “It’s a unique car, very boxy and very capable. It will sit in a lower part of the [market] segment to the Wrangler.”

Full article here:

Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 | Autocar

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Dave Z

· #18 · 3 mo ago

FWIW... making the Recon in PHEV format would be a major cost booster overall, and would limit the potential off-road qualities.
Optimizing for BEV only makes more sense in the long run, and that's the run this vehicel will play in. You can get a Wrangler PHEV. Why make a Recon PHEV?
Scout is aiming at Bronco and Wrangler, Recon is aiming at Land/Range Rover apparently. I would not be surprised to see Wrangler prices fall over the next few years.

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Dave Z

· #32 · 3 mo ago

valiant67 said:
That’s a combo that sounds good on paper, but don’t do great in real life. Unless the one I had was an anomaly, the 3.6 manual tune (which limits power to protect a weak clutch assembly from overheating) resulted in inconsistent and very peaky engine output. After the dealer confined all software was up to date and nothing changed, I used CarMax’s 30 day return policy to be rid of it and get an automatic.

Someone was unreasonably cheep, in other words?

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Dave Z

· #46 · 3 mo ago

Adventurer55 said:
Or cheap.

Cheep (adj., jargon) = being cheap in a stupid way that ends up being more expensive.

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Dave Z

· #49 · 3 mo ago

As an aside, it would not cost anything but time and money for Jeep to fix their manual transmission problems.

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Dave Z

· #52 · 3 mo ago

Adventurer55 said:
A lot of their problems stem from buying subpar parts. Like always, the cost of bad press, recalls, etc. bites them in the behind. They never learn a thing. I hope that smug overpaid executive that is on charge of purchasing the sub par clutch plate loses his bonus.

Exactly. A mistake also made by Cerberus and Daimler. Mostly Fiat did not do this, and I wonder why they did it this time.

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Dave Z

· #57 · 3 mo ago

Our 2013 has an early Pentastar V6. It has had no problems. I have full confidence in it.
The dealers, well, you find a good dealer. MaxCare is always extra. Always has been. There are people here who can get you a discount on that.
Death Wobble... well, '17 Wranglers also had it. If yours didn't, you know it's not 100%. I don't think it's gotten worse. It can't be solved by engineering while keeping the live front axle, that's what people keep saying. It can be made less common by beefing up certain parts. End users can keep it at bay by replacing parts when needed and getting regular alignments.

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Dave Z

· #62 · 3 mo ago

Jeep Wrangler and Cherokee problems: the "Death...

Jeep Wrangler and Cherokee problems: the "Death Wobble" / severe shimmy Norm Layton wrote that the "Jeep death wobble" is basically a shimmy, and can affect any suspension with a continuous tie rod (which nearly all solid axles have) to connect the front wheels. He noted, "Shimmy is normally...

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This was posted in 2019, I think. The problem was mentioned in Evan Boberg's book as appearing in the XJ and CJ. Bob Sheaves wrote, “"Death wobble" first showed up in vehicles in the 1960s with early aftermarket lift kits, primarily on Jeep CJs and Land Rover S1s. ... In a properly designed XJ suspension, the motion of the draglink (of the Haltenberger type) and the panhard rod is supposed to be a parallelogram...but in stock form, it is not, so raising the vehicle even 1 inch worsens the "fight" between the track bar (panhard rod) and the draglink, causing the tires to steer instead of the driver.” (XJ was the original Cherokee.)

He added, “The Rubicon is at the ragged edge of acceptable street and offroad suspension geometry motion. Given the GD&T variance of the production design, it could (I am not saying "will") occur, but it will not be to the amount of a 36" tire equipped vehicle.”

As far as the dates, our expert tech ImperialCrown added:

“If the steering damper (stabilizer) itself is wet with oil and the oil is not dripping on it from above, the plunger rod seal has failed and the internal damping hydraulic fluid has leaked out or is low. This will cause "death-wobble," and yes, it can take the steering wheel right out of your hands.

It doesn't necessarily take aggressive driving for it to fail. Ford, GM and Dodge trucks do it as well. Rack and pinion steering set-ups seem to do it much less than parellelogram linkage steering configurations.”

Chrysler had a TSB back in 2019. ...

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