Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 (Recon)
From the article:
The Recon will sit alongside the Wrangler, confirmed Jeep’s European boss, Antonella Bruno, but the two cars will have slightly different sizes and positions in the range.
“The Recon in Europe will be a white-space car,” said Bruno. “It’s a unique car, very boxy and very capable. It will sit in a lower part of the [market] segment to the Wrangler.”
Full article here:
Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 | Autocar
The Recon will sit alongside the Wrangler, confirmed Jeep’s European boss, Antonella Bruno, but the two cars will have slightly different sizes and positions in the range.
“The Recon in Europe will be a white-space car,” said Bruno. “It’s a unique car, very boxy and very capable. It will sit in a lower part of the [market] segment to the Wrangler.”
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Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 | Autocar
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I'm really starting to wonder why does the Recon need to be shaped the way it is if its only BEV? Is that a massive frunk in the front of that thing?FWIW... making the Recon in PHEV format would be a major cost booster overall, and would limit the potential off-road qualities.
Optimizing for BEV only makes more sense in the long run, and that's the run this vehicel will play in. You can get a Wrangler PHEV. Why make a Recon PHEV?
Scout is aiming at Bronco and Wrangler, Recon is aiming at Land/Range Rover apparently. I would not be surprised to see Wrangler prices fall over the next few years.
For looks. Buyers expect Jeeps to be rugged, and nothing looks more rugged than a box on wheels.I'm really starting to wonder why does the Recon need to be shaped the way it is if its only BEV? Is that a massive frunk in the front of that thing?
Since it is believed the Recon will be built in Toluca, maybe it should have the Mexican flag!The most important question: will this new Jeep still carry the American flag?
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Or will Jeep slap the EU flag onto it...?
If you guys sense my dry skepticism on this thread, is because I am burned out by Jeep at the moment.
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my Jeep Wrangler. But I am scared to set foot at a Jeep dealership. Between the ridiculous prices, the widespread incompetence of the sales and service staffs, and the arrogant indifference from Stellantis, I look at these new vehicles Jeep keeps throwing at us and all I can do is scratch my head.
For decades Jeep stood for ruggedness, simplicity, capability, fun and adventure. Modern Wranglers —and Gladiators— are already getting too complex to fit the first two-and-a-half of those words.
The rest of the Jeep lineup doesn’t speak to me, and these newer models coming out of Europe could have any badge on them if you removed the boxy styling.
I’m not against EVs. In fact, my next vehicle will likely have some sort of electrified powertrain. But I doubt it will be from Jeep.
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my Jeep Wrangler. But I am scared to set foot at a Jeep dealership. Between the ridiculous prices, the widespread incompetence of the sales and service staffs, and the arrogant indifference from Stellantis, I look at these new vehicles Jeep keeps throwing at us and all I can do is scratch my head.
For decades Jeep stood for ruggedness, simplicity, capability, fun and adventure. Modern Wranglers —and Gladiators— are already getting too complex to fit the first two-and-a-half of those words.
The rest of the Jeep lineup doesn’t speak to me, and these newer models coming out of Europe could have any badge on them if you removed the boxy styling.
I’m not against EVs. In fact, my next vehicle will likely have some sort of electrified powertrain. But I doubt it will be from Jeep.
I will say if someone had bought a Wagoneer from the Jeep dealership I did and received the experience I got from my Jeep, they'd probably had gone to Land Rover and traded it in. It was on par from what I expected from the very Chrysler Jeep dealership which annoyed me back in 2009. The experience wasn't far off from that. The Honda dealership I bought from in 09 was better. My ex's 2016 Subaru dealership was waaaayyy better, and I can only assume the Land Rover, BMW and Mercedes dealers are way better than those. And it wasn't exclusive to that dealership because two other CDJ's were calling me saying they had the car I wanted in stock only for them to be missing deal breaker features like being a 4xe or missing the trailer hitch. All in an effort to try to get me in an JGC 4xe.Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my Jeep Wrangler. But I am scared to set foot at a Jeep dealership. Between the ridiculous prices, the widespread incompetence of the sales and service staffs, and the arrogant indifference from Stellantis, I look at these new vehicles Jeep keeps throwing at us and all I can do is scratch my head.
One big issue to your point was the app. Which my salesman had entered the wrong VIN to get me registered. When I inquired about why the car in the app didn't look like my car and called it a Sport model, I got met with they all look like that. Only to find out, it was the wrong car. It took 6 calls to both Sirius and Mopar to finally get it right and my app now shows my car and a random Hertz rental car in the app. I also noticed things that were supposed to be in the car at delivery were missing so when I got back to the dealership to pick them up I just kept getting the "Give me all 10's" request again and again. Then the app itself is super laggy. You don't know for sure when its fully charged unless you keep prompting it. It beats walking into the garage or running out to the charging station and checking, but in a world where you get charged for parking too long at a charging station, a push notification saying the car is full would be nice. I usually won't get a "completed charge" notification until I've already unplugged the car and am leaving.
The dealer I bought from was good on the sale. I flat out told them if their service wasn’t better than in the past they would regret it. Sales manager believed me because of an experience with poor service I had with another dealership when he was my salesman there.
So far, their service department has been quite attentive even on a oil change. But I know this dealership’s poor service reputation extends beyond Jeep and to their Ford location as well.
So far, their service department has been quite attentive even on a oil change. But I know this dealership’s poor service reputation extends beyond Jeep and to their Ford location as well.
You can still buy a pretty basic wrangler for not so bad price. Low to mid 30s. In fact, 6 speed pentastar with rear LSD would be a fun package in my view.If you guys sense my dry skepticism on this thread, is because I am burned out by Jeep at the moment.
Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my Jeep Wrangler. But I am scared to set foot at a Jeep dealership. Between the ridiculous prices, the widespread incompetence of the sales and service staffs, and the arrogant indifference from Stellantis, I look at these new vehicles Jeep keeps throwing at us and all I can do is scratch my head.
For decades Jeep stood for ruggedness, simplicity, capability, fun and adventure. Modern Wranglers —and Gladiators— are already getting too complex to fit the first two-and-a-half of those words.
The rest of the Jeep lineup doesn’t speak to me, and these newer models coming out of Europe could have any badge on them if you removed the boxy styling.
I’m not against EVs. In fact, my next vehicle will likely have some sort of electrified powertrain. But I doubt it will be from Jeep.
I'm looking forward to the Recon. It sounds good in theory so let's see when we finally get a chance to check it out.
That’s a combo that sounds good on paper, but don’t do great in real life. Unless the one I had was an anomaly, the 3.6 manual tune (which limits power to protect a weak clutch assembly from overheating) resulted in inconsistent and very peaky engine output. After the dealer confined all software was up to date and nothing changed, I used CarMax’s 30 day return policy to be rid of it and get an automatic.You can still buy a pretty basic wrangler for not so bad price. Low to mid 30s. In fact, 6 speed pentastar with rear LSD would be a fun package in my view.
Yup. To add insult to injury, Jeep is about to recall 70,000 manual transmission JLs, which is roughly half of all manual transmission JLs sold so far.That’s a combo that sounds good on paper, but don’t do great in real life. Unless the one I had was an anomaly, the 3.6 manual tune (which limits power to protect a weak clutch assembly from overheating) resulted in inconsistent and very peaky engine output. After the dealer confined all software was up to date and nothing changed, I used CarMax’s 30 day return policy to be rid of it and get an automatic.
They still don't have a fix. But problems with that transmission/clutch setup are never-ending.
Someone was unreasonably cheep, in other words?That’s a combo that sounds good on paper, but don’t do great in real life. Unless the one I had was an anomaly, the 3.6 manual tune (which limits power to protect a weak clutch assembly from overheating) resulted in inconsistent and very peaky engine output. After the dealer confined all software was up to date and nothing changed, I used CarMax’s 30 day return policy to be rid of it and get an automatic.
According to Jeep.com, a 2023 Wrangler 2-door Sport S with a hardtop and 8-speed automatic transmission is $43,000.You can still buy a pretty basic wrangler for not so bad price. Low to mid 30s. In fact, 6 speed pentastar with rear LSD would be a fun package in my view.
Is that a not-so bad price? I guess. Seems like a lot of money for a pretty basic Wrangler. Add to that Jeep's "priceless" dealer service, and the value proposition looks even more questionable.
In any event, this Recon is likely to start at $70,000 by the time it arrives here. That is a non-starter with me.
When is the Wrangler getting redesigned?
Or cheap.Someone was unreasonably cheep, in other words?
That is still several years off. The last generation covered model years 2007-2018 with a 2012 mild refresh.When is the Wrangler getting redesigned?
The current Wrangler debuted fir model year 2018. Most people expected a 2023 mold refresh.
Yep. Some people are doing their best to avoid the de-tuning program and are planning to install a proper clutch but are afraid any dealer visit will result in the power robbing reflash.Someone was unreasonably cheep, in other words?
Yes, I sense it, and I also greatly appreciate the candor in your remarks. I truly appreciate those with the strength of character to unashamedly cry out: "The Emperor Wears No Clothes!" when necessary.If you guys sense my dry skepticism on this thread, is because I am burned out by Jeep at the moment.
Please feel free to also throw in some cynicism for the flavor!
I suggested a sport with 6 speed and maybe the anti-spin diff "rear lsd" as the only option. That would hit the mid 30s.According to Jeep.com, a 2023 Wrangler 2-door Sport S with a hardtop and 8-speed automatic transmission is $43,000.
Is that a not-so bad price? I guess. Seems like a lot of money for a pretty basic Wrangler. Add to that Jeep's "priceless" dealer service, and the value proposition looks even more questionable.
In any event, this Recon is likely to start at $70,000 by the time it arrives here. That is a non-starter with me.
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