I know you suggested that. But that’s not a viable option to many Wrangler buyers...between JL’s never-ending clutch issues and the inherent limitations of the soft top.
Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 (Recon)
From the article:
The Recon will sit alongside the Wrangler, confirmed Jeep’s European boss, Antonella Bruno, but the two cars will have slightly different sizes and positions in the range.
“The Recon in Europe will be a white-space car,” said Bruno. “It’s a unique car, very boxy and very capable. It will sit in a lower part of the [market] segment to the Wrangler.”
Full article here:
Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 | Autocar
The Recon will sit alongside the Wrangler, confirmed Jeep’s European boss, Antonella Bruno, but the two cars will have slightly different sizes and positions in the range.
“The Recon in Europe will be a white-space car,” said Bruno. “It’s a unique car, very boxy and very capable. It will sit in a lower part of the [market] segment to the Wrangler.”
Full article here:
Jeep to launch electric Land Rover Defender rival by 2025 | Autocar
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Such a waste. With all the attention being given to Jeep, might as well fold both Chrysler and Dodge.
Too bad just Jeep wasn't emphasized more by AMC. They could have just killed off all but 4WD cars, stayed with Jeep and stayed independent.
Chrysler and Dodge have received little attention and $$.$$ for over 20 years.
Do something with them or just let them die with some degree of dignity.
Too bad just Jeep wasn't emphasized more by AMC. They could have just killed off all but 4WD cars, stayed with Jeep and stayed independent.
Chrysler and Dodge have received little attention and $$.$$ for over 20 years.
Do something with them or just let them die with some degree of dignity.
2028 according to some sources.When is the Wrangler getting redesigned?
Recon seems to be a placeholder until the Wrangler Magneto can arrive. Wrangler 4xe is not available in RHD due to packaging. That is one area that needs to be resolved in the redesign.
I had hoped that because they put the 4xe badge on the back of Recon that it might have a PHEV option, but I’m guessing now that 4xe is a catch-all badge for their electrified vehicles, and not just the hybrids. 🙁. I suppose that does make more sense though.FWIW... making the Recon in PHEV format would be a major cost booster overall, and would limit the potential off-road qualities.
Optimizing for BEV only makes more sense in the long run, and that's the run this vehicel will play in. You can get a Wrangler PHEV. Why make a Recon PHEV?
Scout is aiming at Bronco and Wrangler, Recon is aiming at Land/Range Rover apparently. I would not be surprised to see Wrangler prices fall over the next few years.
Yes, when Avenger launched, it did not have the 4xe badging because it was FWD only.I had hoped that because they put the 4xe badge on the back of Recon that it might have a PHEV option, but I’m guessing now that 4xe is a catch-all badge for their electrified vehicles, and not just the hybrids. 🙁. I suppose that does make more sense though.
Then they showed the Avenger 4xe at the Paris Auto Show, but it is still a BEV.
Cheep (adj., jargon) = being cheap in a stupid way that ends up being more expensive.Or cheap.
So are you just ignoring the plans for Chrysler and Dodge or what?Such a waste. With all the attention being given to Jeep, might as well fold both Chrysler and Dodge.
Too bad just Jeep wasn't emphasized more by AMC. They could have just killed off all but 4WD cars, stayed with Jeep and stayed independent.
Chrysler and Dodge have received little attention and $$.$$ for over 20 years.
Do something with them or just let them die with some degree of dignity.
Many people are so jaded by the last decade-plus of teases and rumors not materializing that we are in a "boy who cried wolf" situation.So are you just ignoring the plans for Chrysler and Dodge or what?
Let's be compassionate to them.
As an aside, it would not cost anything but time and money for Jeep to fix their manual transmission problems.
....but, but, but....the MARGINS! Look at their MARGINS!!!As an aside, it would not cost anything but time and money for Jeep to fix their manual transmission problems.
A lot of their problems stem from buying subpar parts. Like always, the cost of bad press, recalls, etc. bites them in the behind. They never learn a thing. I hope that smug overpaid executive that is in charge of purchasing the sub par clutch plate loses his bonus.As an aside, it would not cost anything but time and money for Jeep to fix their manual transmission problems.
Exactly. A mistake also made by Cerberus and Daimler. Mostly Fiat did not do this, and I wonder why they did it this time.A lot of their problems stem from buying subpar parts. Like always, the cost of bad press, recalls, etc. bites them in the behind. They never learn a thing. I hope that smug overpaid executive that is on charge of purchasing the sub par clutch plate loses his bonus.
I think two reasons for the big flaws we see in JL which are poor batteries, ambiguous steering, and weak clutches.Exactly. A mistake also made by Cerberus and Daimler. Mostly Fiat did not do this, and I wonder why they did it this time.
First and foremost was cost cutting. They were determined to cost cut themselves to higher margins and bragged about it in presentations.
Second was rookie mistakes. It seems enough seasoned talent was gone to emphasize what was different between a Jeep Wrangler and an ordinary SUV. It was like no one had actually driven a JK before saying (somewhat officially) that JL’s poor toad manners were just a Jeep thing.
And sadly it is cheaper to weaken engine output via a reflash than replace weak clutches and pressure plates with better components that might then uncover an issue with the transmission.
Recon is the ONLY new Jeep I'm interested in hearing more about and surprise surprise, Stellantis hasn't told us anything other than its name and that it's coming.
I was thinking of buying another Jeep but as some have said certain things give me pause. I am not fond of some of the basic engineering which I feel is poorly done for example: Pentastar oil filter housing, is made of plastic, prone to cracks, leaky orings, and to add insult to injury to the DIY guys like me is hidden under the Intake manifold, resulting in a lot of labor to replace this part that will leak on nearly ALL of them. Note to Stellantis, people are sick of paying $800 to a grand to have this piece of plastic replaced, on nearly everything Chrysler makes! Does that give you confidence in the new Hurricane inline six?
Now, it's the clutch on the JL. What happened, the clutch on the JK, was fine, we have one with over 80K miles on it that works just fine. And then, the Freedom top, these all eventually leak. Some owners or potential owners, just want a top that doesn't leak. I'd settle for a simple pop up sun roof!
Other quibbles: why do JKs have common problems with rear calipers seizing and front brake hoses delaminating? We had both, and a bad ABS sensor, I least I could fix that myself but parts? On a 5 year old vehicle? Back order. Had to do aftermarket, or wait 2-3 weeks. Really now. That's just unacceptable.
Then there's the death wobble. A known problem with ALL vehicles that have live front axles, it can be solved, by decent engineering and quality control, because our '98 Grand and '17 Wrangler have never had it, in a combined mileage of 360,000 miles. Why on the latest Wrangler, is it still a problem? Basic engineering guys, is it too much to ask?
Lastly there's the bait and switch sales techniques used by certain dealers. You want to buy late model used, you used to be able to buy a certifed car with one price, not two different ones depending on if you finance with them or not, and you got a warrentee up to 80k miles, a Chrysler warrentee not after market. Now, it is 1000 or 1500 more if you don't finance with them, and you get an aftermarket warrantee. If you want Max care you pay extra.
I looked at 4 different WK-2s, liked them, all were Hemis, so no worry about the plastic oil filter housing issue, but really didn't like the bait and switch tactics and the warrantee issue.
Oh well. It could be better, couldn't it?
Now, it's the clutch on the JL. What happened, the clutch on the JK, was fine, we have one with over 80K miles on it that works just fine. And then, the Freedom top, these all eventually leak. Some owners or potential owners, just want a top that doesn't leak. I'd settle for a simple pop up sun roof!
Other quibbles: why do JKs have common problems with rear calipers seizing and front brake hoses delaminating? We had both, and a bad ABS sensor, I least I could fix that myself but parts? On a 5 year old vehicle? Back order. Had to do aftermarket, or wait 2-3 weeks. Really now. That's just unacceptable.
Then there's the death wobble. A known problem with ALL vehicles that have live front axles, it can be solved, by decent engineering and quality control, because our '98 Grand and '17 Wrangler have never had it, in a combined mileage of 360,000 miles. Why on the latest Wrangler, is it still a problem? Basic engineering guys, is it too much to ask?
Lastly there's the bait and switch sales techniques used by certain dealers. You want to buy late model used, you used to be able to buy a certifed car with one price, not two different ones depending on if you finance with them or not, and you got a warrentee up to 80k miles, a Chrysler warrentee not after market. Now, it is 1000 or 1500 more if you don't finance with them, and you get an aftermarket warrantee. If you want Max care you pay extra.
I looked at 4 different WK-2s, liked them, all were Hemis, so no worry about the plastic oil filter housing issue, but really didn't like the bait and switch tactics and the warrantee issue.
Oh well. It could be better, couldn't it?
Our 2013 has an early Pentastar V6. It has had no problems. I have full confidence in it.
The dealers, well, you find a good dealer. MaxCare is always extra. Always has been. There are people here who can get you a discount on that.
Death Wobble... well, '17 Wranglers also had it. If yours didn't, you know it's not 100%. I don't think it's gotten worse. It can't be solved by engineering while keeping the live front axle, that's what people keep saying. It can be made less common by beefing up certain parts. End users can keep it at bay by replacing parts when needed and getting regular alignments.
The dealers, well, you find a good dealer. MaxCare is always extra. Always has been. There are people here who can get you a discount on that.
Death Wobble... well, '17 Wranglers also had it. If yours didn't, you know it's not 100%. I don't think it's gotten worse. It can't be solved by engineering while keeping the live front axle, that's what people keep saying. It can be made less common by beefing up certain parts. End users can keep it at bay by replacing parts when needed and getting regular alignments.
Will we see some sort of refresh then in 2024 with a new model by 28?2028 according to some sources.
Recon seems to be a placeholder until the Wrangler Magneto can arrive. Wrangler 4xe is not available in RHD due to packaging. That is one area that needs to be resolved in the redesign.
There is no guarantee of either.Will we see some sort of refresh then in 2024 with a new model by 28?
I was thinking of buying another Jeep but as some have said certain things give me pause. I am not fond of some of the basic engineering which I feel is poorly done for example: Pentastar oil filter housing, is made of plastic, prone to cracks, leaky orings, and to add insult to injury to the DIY guys like me is hidden under the Intake manifold, resulting in a lot of labor to replace this part that will leak on nearly ALL of them. Note to Stellantis, people are sick of paying $800 to a grand to have this piece of plastic replaced, on nearly everything Chrysler makes!
Our 2013 has an early Pentastar V6. It has had no problems. I have full confidence in it.
I've had 4 of the Pentastar engines from 2012 through 2020. NONE of them ever leaked a drop of oil. I found the oil filter location to be perfect and totally mess-free. The torque spec is stamped onto the filter cap so that's not rocket science either. The problem is you've got people at quicky lube places who put the oil filter caps back on with 1/2" ratchets and they overtighten them, which cracks the housing. There is nothing inherently wrong with the design, it's just a case of people not knowing what they are doing and having no business working on vehicles. My P-stars were among the most trouble-free engines I've ever owned. In fact I can't remember having even one warranty repair done on any of them.
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