[valiant67]

One thing I’d like is a flip up rear window but with the soft top.
Oh, and bring the tan soft top back!

 

[Zagnut27]

Fix the steering!

 

[Erik Latranyi]

Is it possible that they make LED headlights standard?

 

[GasAxe]

Oh, and bring the tan soft top back!

It’s a crime not to offer Jeep green with a spice top!

 

[Erik Latranyi]

$2000 cash on 2023 Wrangler 4xe already.

 

[WXman]

I ran into an interesting discussion yesterday. The heavily condensed version is that nationwide there are 3X more 4xe Wranglers listed for sale on the used market than ICE only Wranglers. The belief is that most people took the tax credit to have instant positive equity, kept the Jeep a short time, then sold to make cash off the deal.

Seems like a good way to ensure that tax credits go away forever or stipulations are added.

 

[LouJC]

Let the free market decide who buys what…

 

[HotCarNut]

Ours was never overtightened.
The tech who replaced it said the plastic casting plugs leaked.
Just look at this vs conventional oil filter
Conventional filter:
Metal can one seal. I have been changing my own oil HUNDREDS of times since ‘72 & never had one leak.
The Pentastar design has plastic casting plugs, o rings for oil flow, o rings for coolant and seals for the oil cooler. Multiple failure points. They fail so often numerous companies make all aluminum versions to replace the plastic. Dorman & others. This solves the plastic cracking & casting plug issues but not the multiple oring failures. So IMO this is poor engineering. Not only does it fail often but replacement takes hours.You basically have to remove everything on top of the engine.
That and the persistence of death wobble on JL & JT is very disturbing. How long has Jeep used this same suspension design? At least since the 1984 Cherokee. Neither our 98 ZJ Grand (181,000 miles) or the 17 Wrangler (82,000 miles ever had death wobble). Why is this happening in these new and expensive models?
My take on these 2 things after a quarter century of owning & maintaining & repairing 3 different Jeeps.

My 2014 JKU has Death Wobble, but I’m convinced it’s due to the low quality of the shocks in the MOPAR (rebranded TerraFlex) lift and a terrible alignment and balance done by the dealer who installed it. The lift was done prior to my ownership but was only about 8 months before I bought it. It’s prematurely worn the steering gear, probably due to the nasty vibration and constant stress due to the alignment and balance issues. Maybe also because the lift didn’t come with a high-steer kit for geometry correction like the AEV 3.5” does. I also need to replace the ball joints at 73k miles.

point being, JKs are susceptible as well.

 

[LouJC]

Lift kits, you have to be very careful. The only ones I’d use are OME; limited to 2” or 50mm.

 

[valiant67]

My 2014 JKU has Death Wobble, but I’m convinced it’s due to the low quality of the shocks in the MOPAR (rebranded TerraFlex) lift and a terrible alignment and balance done by the dealer who installed it. The lift was done prior to my ownership but was only about 8 months before I bought it. It’s prematurely worn the steering gear, probably due to the nasty vibration and constant stress due to the alignment and balance issues. Maybe also because the lift didn’t come with a high-steer kit for geometry correction like the AEV 3.5” does. I also need to replace the ball joints at 73k miles.

point being, JKs are susceptible as well.

The problem is a fair number (probably not that many, but enough it is a bigger deal) dead stock JL and JT are having the problem.

 

[HotCarNut]

The problem is a fair number (probably not that many, but enough it is a bigger deal) dead stock JL and JT are having the problem.

I know - I was referring to his point that JKs supposedly didn’t have the problem. I know bone stock ones did too. My point on mine was that a MOPAR lift kit version has it too. It’s ubiquitous but it DOES seem to be more prevalent in JL/JT and not tied to wear as it’s showing up straight off the assembly line. Honestly, the only JL I’m considering is the anniversary release coming straight from the factory with the AEV lift, steering, and geometry correction.

 

[Zagnut27]

If custimers are experiencing death wobble on stock Wranglers, I’m suspecting it’s either a manufacturing issue or a parts issue. Or is it a user issue? How are they using their Wrangler? Are the ones who have experienced issues using their Wranglers more aggressively than others, and therefore require more frequent monitoring and maintenance? If it’s happening on street-only vehicles, then that’s more concerning I think.

For Wranglers that have been modified, did they upgrade their suspension parts to account for the added weight and different geometry of bigger tires & wheels? From skimming through the Bronco forums, I see people breaking tie rods because they lifted their vehicle & put on bigger tires & wheels without upgrading the supporting structures to accommodate them. It’s the same with Wranglers. One poster on a forum said “you wheel until something breaks and then you upgrade” (paraphrasing). Lol.

 

[Erik Latranyi]

If custimers are experiencing death wobble on stock Wranglers, I’m suspecting it’s either a manufacturing issue or a parts issue. Or is it a user issue? How are they using their Wrangler? Are the ones who have experienced issues using their Wranglers more aggressively than others, and therefore require more frequent monitoring and maintenance? If it’s happening on street-only vehicles, then that’s more concerning I think.

For Wranglers that have been modified, did they upgrade their suspension parts to account for the added weight and different geometry of bigger tires & wheels? From skimming through the Bronco forums, I see people breaking tie rods because they lifted their vehicle & put on bigger tires & wheels without upgrading the supporting structures to accommodate them. It’s the same with Wranglers. One poster on a forum said “you wheel until something breaks and then you upgrade” (paraphrasing). Lol.

Stock Wranglers on public roads with no off-road history and less than 10k miles on the odometer.

 

[codypet]

$2000 cash on 2023 Wrangler 4xe already.

When I got mine the lot still had a bunch of 2022s on it. What's weird is at least for the Wrangler and the Wrangler 4xe, the dealer really didn't love the idea of dealing. In fact one of the other dealerships kept flat out telling me that spec of 4xe (with a hitch and the power top) would be impossible to find. And yea compared to the Regular Sport Wrangler, they were harder to find, but the dealer I got mine at had 3 or 4 and all the other dealers had at least 1.

 

[Zagnut27]

Stock Wranglers on public roads with no off-road history and less than 10k miles on the odometer.

Then I’d say that’s definitely a problem. Either crappy parts, or a manufacturing issue, or both. And/or design flaw.

However, I am no engineer. But I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before…..

 

[valiant67]

When I got mine the lot still had a bunch of 2022s on it. What's weird is at least for the Wrangler and the Wrangler 4xe, the dealer really didn't love the idea of dealing. In fact one of the other dealerships kept flat out telling me that spec of 4xe (with a hitch and the power top) would be impossible to find. And yea compared to the Regular Sport Wrangler, they were harder to find, but the dealer I got mine at had 3 or 4 and all the other dealers had at least 1.

I told the dealer they’d honor the affiliate prices or I’d go elsewhere. I know several dealers weren’t doing that back then. They even offered $500 better on my trade than I expected.
The only thing I found impossible to find in 4xe was a Sahara with blind spot. There were zero, I guess only the High Altitude got those parts.

 

[codypet]

I told the dealer they’d honor the affiliate prices or I’d go elsewhere. I know several dealers weren’t doing that back then. They even offered $500 better on my trade than I expected.
The only thing I found impossible to find in 4xe was a Sahara with blind spot. There were zero, I guess only the High Altitude got those parts.

You're right! The one I ended up with is the only one I saw anywhere with blind spot aside from the High Altitude. It wasn't on my list of musts, but now I'm quite enjoying having it.