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Journey 2.4L poor acceleration and mileage

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2015 Dodge Journey 2.4L 181k

Originally had a p0300 code followed by a p000b after clearing those gave p0172, p0013, and p0010. Not sure where to go or what to do, took to mechanic and they stated that they suspected a breathing issue and wanted to replace the catalytic converters and the battery and spark plugs, all of which are new. Catalytic converters replaced January of 2022, Plugs week before it went to the shop and battery three months ago along with the alternator. I have owned this car for 65,000 miles since December of 2021. Car was mostly fine since being rebuilt at roughly 130k. I don't know what kind of rebuild they did but I know there was a collision between the valve and piston. I can't see the cats being the issue and I'm heavily leaning towards the VVT Solenoids but it seems suspect that both would fail at once unless the engine was poorly maintained before me owning it. I run mobil 1 5w-20 and get changes right around 5k. However last time I got my oil changed they put in valvoline but allegedly still 5w-20. So I suppose my question is, how likely is it that both VVT solenoids have failed? Is it possible that something else like faulty wiring or a sensor is causing my issue? And finally is it possible that one solenoid has failed and is triggering the fault code for the other too? Thank you all in advance for your wisdom, and sorry if I neglected to mention anything important.
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Welcome to Allpar. There are 2 different 2.4Ls offered. A PZEV & a LEV. Spark plug requirements are different (copper vs. platinum). The platinum plugs may cause misfires in a LEV application. Use OEM Champion or NGK.

The cat & the PCM software was changed for the U67 recall?
The 2.4L MultiAir/VVT is sensitive to engine oil viscosity. Thicker oil will slow the timing/valve control hydraulics and may set fault codes/cause driveability issues.

Multiple component failures at the same time do raise my suspicions that the problem is not with the components themselves. You are wise to investigate other explanations such as wiring, etc. See the 'Possible Causes'.
You have a VVT 'slow response' code that could be oil viscosity. There is an OCV (oil control valve) cleaning procedure that can be tried. See the YouTube video below.

Both camshafts (1 & 2) have open position actuator circuit (OCV) codes.
The fuel system rich code needs to verify the correct fuel pressure (about 58psi or 400kPa). Wrong O2 sensors are a Possible Cause also. Be sure to use OEM O2 sensors. Bosch or Universal can be problematic.
Check engine compartment wiring, connectors & grounds for being clean & tight. Corrosion can hide under ground screws & terminals.
Is the engine noisy? A mechanical assessment (compression/cam & crank timing) may be in order if it is suspected. PCM failure is rare, but should be left on the table.
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The code P0013 indicates a camshaft sensor or actuator solenoid issue for variable valve control.
As it relates to DTC P0010, your vehicle has detected that the camshaft actuator is open or has shorted. The camshafts are adjusted by the Engine Control Module (ECM) through oil control valves (OCV). These valves are also referred to as variable valve timing (VVT) control solenoid valves.

It looks like either the solenoid has failed, or the wiring to it.
I see zero reasoning behind replacing a battery here, especially if it passes a load test.
How do I know which 2.4 I have the PZEV or LEV?
What are the last 8 of the VIN?
Post it in Conversations to me if you like.
Hiw do I know which 2.4 I have the PZEV or LEV?
The VIN would tell, but also, there should be an underhood sticker on PZEV vehicles. My wife has one, and has the sticker. Mine is not, and of course doesn't have that sticker.

That is my vin number

That is the link to the inspection and whatnot i had done at the shop, maybe there is some more useful info in there that I neglected to mention.

Also in response to imperialcrown I'm not sure what recall it was but there was a software update as well.
All recalls have been satisfied.
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It is an ED3 which is a 2.4L LEV. It should have the Copper Plus RC12MC4 plugs.
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I noticed the P0463 (#1 fuel level sender high) showed 'active'. This could be a significant code if they had to add fuel. Does the gas gauge work?
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Any recent fuel pump or tank service? If there is a problem inside the tank, this could cause misfires & fuel mixture codes.
I would have the fuel pressure checked. It should be steady. I would also run some fuel into a clear plastic soda bottle to look for air bubbles or foam.
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The fuel level sensor has been out for about six months. I figured as long as the pump were working I wouldn't mess with it, in what way do I approach your test?
If the gas gauge is sitting on 'E', the PCM can't run the OBDII monitors, the adaptive numerator or perform most self-tests. It needs to know the fuel level.
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The tank should be drained & lowered to access the pump/sender assembly on the top of the tank. The level sender (4) can be serviced separately from the pump, if it needs one.
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So fixing the fuel sender will get me more accurate codes?
There may be more faults. The PCM won't run some tests (like misfire) on an empty tank as low fuel level itself could 'cause' a misfire.
So you're talking about individual misfire codes not p0300 i already recorded?
Any misfire. It won't test for them if it thinks that it is low on fuel.
The tank sender is the only reference that the PCM has about how much gas the car has in it.
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