[T_690]

However as Cassino is a plant which build the Compact Platform and now uses a flex line to build Compact and Giorgio

They share only paint shop.

 

[facelvega]

They share only paint shop.

Thats very interesting, I'd assumed they may have found a way of doing at least trim & final together.

The flow I'd asusmed from past jobs was:

Separate body shops for Giorgio and Compact
Shared Paint
Separate early assembly (body & powertrain stuff-up etc)
Shared Trim & Final
Shared validation and shipping/logistics zone

Then again a past employer tried mixing transverse and longitudinal architecture builds this way...we could never make it work...but they also had the complication of one architecture being steel and the other aluminium.

 

[MJAB]

Well...kinda managed together, i.e. yes Levante production is aligned and uses the same processes as grugliasco...but we have to remember the Levante line is a very small section of the whole mirafiori site. Yes you could build more E-segment cars there but its also capable of building the various versions of the Small and Compact platforms. The unclear part is what would be needed to build Giorgio platform. However as Cassino is a plant which build the Compact Platform and now uses a flex line to build Compact and Giorgio, it should work in Mirafiori too. Mirafioris issue is high fixed cost.

The D-SUV could work there but might make more sense to share Cassino with Stelvio. Alfieri and/or Gransport/Cabrio Im not so sure...the plant in Modena wouldnt be abandoned I dont think, the Italian unions would make life VERY challenging if they did...also not a great brand message.

Yeah i think fiat are very very cautious about how and if they will use Mirafiori, e.g. its too costly for mass market cars as per Sergios comments about italian production and last time they gambled on near-premium Lancias being built there the local laws meant they had to pay YEARS of wages to laid off staff after the cars went out of production and werent replaced...

Fiat paid very few of that layoffs, most is from taxpayer and the other companies that didn't used the "cassa integrazione ordinaria" or "cassa integrazione ordinaria".

The whole system was changed in 2015 to penalize, a little bit, the ones that were using too much.

For the company the contribution (on 80% of the salary) was 8% for "cassa integrazione ordinaria" and 4.5% for "cassa integrazione staordinaria".

Every company, for the sectors that can use that instrument and having more than 15 employees, pays annualy a contribution to the fund that is calculated as percentage on annual total salaries (2.2%).

With 2015 reform they changed the values: company annual contribution on total salaries decreased to 2%, while the share when they use the instrument of "cassa integrazione guadagni" increased to 9% (on all salary, not on 80% as before) and 12% if they use for more than 52 weeks.
The rules are more complex as well as calculation, but that us the base.

FCA used and uses frequently the "cassa integrazione guadagni ordinaria", the cost for them is low and they have same workers that already know their job and duties in the plant.

 

[MJAB]

Cassino has also a press shop with cold and hot presses. They produce parts also for other plants.
Plastic shop was added some years ago, maybe 2014.

Also Melfi has two lines.
One is for Fiat Punto, should be free when Punto will stop production.
Are already some years that on media is announced the end of production, but this time it looks like is very near. Trim levels, variants, already were reduced heavily one year ago.

 

[james.mooney.]

I spent some time looking at the presentation and here is my analysis of the plan for the Jeep brand:

I noticed that the presentation doesn't say "3-row Grand Cherokee." It says "E-segment 3-row." Couldn't this be a Pacifica-based CUV? I suspect that it will be based on the Pacifica-based Chrysler E-CUV and that, like the Grand Commander, it will be a China-only affair. According to the slides, the Chinese plants will produce two China-only models. The first is the D-segment Grand Commander. The second will likely the "E-segment 3-row." They will both be produced and sold in the US as Chryslers.

JNAP will produce only the 2-row Grand Cherokee (for global distribution).

The only new Jeeps we will be getting in the US will be the JT and the GW.

The "Low D 3-row" is likely to be based on the "SUSW SUV" platform (Renegade/500X, Compass, Toro). There has long been talk about a Fiat 3-row CUV version of the Toro to replace the Freemont. I suspect that this project was moved to Jeep, that it will be low-tech/low-cost/low-performance, and that it will be sold only in emerging markets such as South America and India (look at the region-specific slides in the Jeep presentation).

As far as the A/B UV, it is only mentioned on the slide for the India, unless it is what is referred to as an "Urban UV" on the China slide. Perhaps they haven't decided just how global its reach will be, as South America and possibly EMEA seem like they could be viable markets as well. I'll be surprised if they market it in NAFTA, but then again, they originally weren't going to sell the Renegade here, but I bet they are glad they changed their minds about that (I know I am!).

 

[Bob from Ohio]

any codes for Chrysler Crossfires? Also where can I find how many '08's were Gold color?

 

[Dave Z]

They did confirm the Wagoneer on DT over the last year, I don't know if it'll have DT codes though...