[T_690]

However as Cassino is a plant which build the Compact Platform and now uses a flex line to build Compact and Giorgio

They share only paint shop.

 

[facelvega]

They share only paint shop.

Thats very interesting, I'd assumed they may have found a way of doing at least trim & final together.

The flow I'd asusmed from past jobs was:

Separate body shops for Giorgio and Compact
Shared Paint
Separate early assembly (body & powertrain stuff-up etc)
Shared Trim & Final
Shared validation and shipping/logistics zone

Then again a past employer tried mixing transverse and longitudinal architecture builds this way...we could never make it work...but they also had the complication of one architecture being steel and the other aluminium.

 

[90243]

Well...kinda managed together, i.e. yes Levante production is aligned and uses the same processes as grugliasco...but we have to remember the Levante line is a very small section of the whole mirafiori site. Yes you could build more E-segment cars there but its also capable of building the various versions of the Small and Compact platforms. The unclear part is what would be needed to build Giorgio platform. However as Cassino is a plant which build the Compact Platform and now uses a flex line to build Compact and Giorgio, it should work in Mirafiori too. Mirafioris issue is high fixed cost.

The D-SUV could work there but might make more sense to share Cassino with Stelvio. Alfieri and/or Gransport/Cabrio Im not so sure...the plant in Modena wouldnt be abandoned I dont think, the Italian unions would make life VERY challenging if they did...also not a great brand message.

Yeah i think fiat are very very cautious about how and if they will use Mirafiori, e.g. its too costly for mass market cars as per Sergios comments about italian production and last time they gambled on near-premium Lancias being built there the local laws meant they had to pay YEARS of wages to laid off staff after the cars went out of production and werent replaced...

Fiat paid very few of that layoffs, most is from taxpayer and the other companies that didn't used the "cassa integrazione ordinaria" or "cassa integrazione ordinaria".

The whole system was changed in 2015 to penalize, a little bit, the ones that were using too much.

For the company the contribution (on 80% of the salary) was 8% for "cassa integrazione ordinaria" and 4.5% for "cassa integrazione staordinaria".

Every company, for the sectors that can use that instrument and having more than 15 employees, pays annualy a contribution to the fund that is calculated as percentage on annual total salaries (2.2%).

With 2015 reform they changed the values: company annual contribution on total salaries decreased to 2%, while the share when they use the instrument of "cassa integrazione guadagni" increased to 9% (on all salary, not on 80% as before) and 12% if they use for more than 52 weeks.
The rules are more complex as well as calculation, but that us the base.

FCA used and uses frequently the "cassa integrazione guadagni ordinaria", the cost for them is low and they have same workers that already know their job and duties in the plant.

 

[90243]

Cassino has also a press shop with cold and hot presses. They produce parts also for other plants.
Plastic shop was added some years ago, maybe 2014.

Also Melfi has two lines.
One is for Fiat Punto, should be free when Punto will stop production.
Are already some years that on media is announced the end of production, but this time it looks like is very near. Trim levels, variants, already were reduced heavily one year ago.

 

[james.mooney.]

I spent some time looking at the presentation and here is my analysis of the plan for the Jeep brand:

I noticed that the presentation doesn't say "3-row Grand Cherokee." It says "E-segment 3-row." Couldn't this be a Pacifica-based CUV? I suspect that it will be based on the Pacifica-based Chrysler E-CUV and that, like the Grand Commander, it will be a China-only affair. According to the slides, the Chinese plants will produce two China-only models. The first is the D-segment Grand Commander. The second will likely the "E-segment 3-row." They will both be produced and sold in the US as Chryslers.

JNAP will produce only the 2-row Grand Cherokee (for global distribution).

The only new Jeeps we will be getting in the US will be the JT and the GW.

The "Low D 3-row" is likely to be based on the "SUSW SUV" platform (Renegade/500X, Compass, Toro). There has long been talk about a Fiat 3-row CUV version of the Toro to replace the Freemont. I suspect that this project was moved to Jeep, that it will be low-tech/low-cost/low-performance, and that it will be sold only in emerging markets such as South America and India (look at the region-specific slides in the Jeep presentation).

As far as the A/B UV, it is only mentioned on the slide for the India, unless it is what is referred to as an "Urban UV" on the China slide. Perhaps they haven't decided just how global its reach will be, as South America and possibly EMEA seem like they could be viable markets as well. I'll be surprised if they market it in NAFTA, but then again, they originally weren't going to sell the Renegade here, but I bet they are glad they changed their minds about that (I know I am!).

 

[Bob from Ohio]

any codes for Chrysler Crossfires? Also where can I find how many '08's were Gold color?

 

[Dave Z]

They did confirm the Wagoneer on DT over the last year, I don't know if it'll have DT codes though...

 

[Jaime Roberto Prado]

This is a list of vehicle family/programs codes for DCX vehicles past, present and future. The list is growing, with 208 listings so far. There are several unidentified future codes... any input, additions, corrections, etc. always welcome.

* LAST UPDATED November 4, 2016 *


Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep: Vehicle family/program codes

(note - years listed are model years)

4C - Alpha 4C coupe/convertible
10 - Verna/Attitude (HMC) (2012-, Mexico)
16 - Pickup/Cab Chassis (HMC H100) (2012-)
21- Dodge Atos/i10 (HMC) (2012-, Mexico)
22 - Chrysler Delta (2012-, Europe)
23 - Chrysler Ypsilon (2011-, Europe)
52 - Dodge 1000 Cargo Van (CMC) (2012-, Mexixo)
55 - Trazo (2010-up)
57- Ram 700 (2015)
92 - NEW

A1- New Yorker, Spirit (1992-1995, export)
A3- Lebaron (1993-1995, export)
A4- Phantom (1992-1993, export)
A9- (outside powertrain sales)
AA- Acclaim, Lebaron, Lebaron Landeau, Spirit (1989-1994)
AB- Ram van, Ram wagon (1989-2000)
AB- Ram 3500 Cab Chassis 6.4L (test) (2017)
AC- Dynasty, New Yorker, New Yorker Landau, New Yorker Salon (1993-1994)
AD- Ram, Ramcharger D-series (1972-1993)
AF- Pickup, Sport Utility (1993, Mexico)
AG- Daytona, Iroc, Pacifica, Shelby, Laser (1992-1993)
AH- Lebaron GTS, Lancer?
AJ- Lebaron (1992-1995)
AK- Reliant, Aries
AL- Omni, Horizon, Charger, Turismo, Rampage, Scamp GT
AM- Diplomat, Lebaron, New Yorker, Caravelle
AN- Dakota 1st gen (-1996), 2nd gen (1997-2004)
AP- Shadow Sundance, Shadow Convertible, Duster (1989-1994)
AQ- Chrysler Maserati coupe
AS- Caravan, Town & Country, Voyager (1983-1995)
AY- Imperial (1992-1993)
AY- 5th Avenue (1992)
AY- New Yorker (1993)

B1- Renegade (2016-up, Brazil)
B2- Colt, Summit, Vista (1992, import)
B4- Ram 50 swb & lwb, Ram 50 SE, Power Ram 50 swb
B6- Ram Raider
B7- Stealth, Stealth ES, Stealth R/T, 2000 Canadian GTX (1992-1996, import)
B8- Colt, Summit Wagon, Vista (1992, import)
B9- Colt, Summit (1993-1996, import)
BA- Fiat Spider (Conv, 2017-up)
BB- Monaco, Premier (1988-1990)
BC- Medallion
BD- Laser, Talon (1992-1994, import)
BE- Ram, Ram club cab (1994-2001)
BF- Fiat 500L (2014-up)
BK- Dodge LE/LX (Fiat Siena for Mexico) (2014/15-up)
BQ- Jeep Renegade (China, 2016-up)
BR- Ram cab & chassis (1994-2001)
BT- Ram (2000-2002, Mexico)
BU- Renegade (2015-up)
BW- Ramcharger (1999, Mexico)
BX- Ram Quad and club cab (Mexico)

CA- ?
CJ- Jeep (1945-1985)
CS- Pacifica (2003-2008)
CT- Pacifica (cancelled, was to be 2009-up)
CU- Pacifica future gen (cancelled)
CY- Imperial

D1- Ram 3500 (2003-2009)
D2- Ram 3500 (2010-2016)
D3- Ram 3500 future gen?
DA- Ram 4500/5500 Sterling cab chassis (2008-up)
DC- Ram 3500 Cab Chassis (2007-up)
DD- Ram 3500 Cab Chassis (2010-2016)
DE- NEW
DH- Ram HD Regular & Quad cab / 1500 Mega cab / Ram 2500 (2003-2009)
DJ- Ram 2500/3500 (2010-2016)
DJ- Jeep (1955-1982)
DK- ?
DM- Ram 4500/5500 cab chassis (2008-up)
DN- Durango 1st gen (1998-2003)
DP- Ram 4500/5500 (2010-2016)
DR- Ram 3rd gen (2002-2008)
DS- Ram 4th gen (2009-2015)
DT- Ram 5th gen (2019-up)
DU- Ram future gen
DX- Ram (2005-2016, Mexico)
DY- Ram (2010-up?, Mexico)
DZ- NEW

EB- PT Cruiser (replaced by PB)
ES- Voyager, Grand Voyager (1992-1995, Europe)

FB - Fiat 500X (2016-up)
FC- Forward Control trucks (1956-1965)
FF- Fiat 500 coupe, convertible (2012-up)
FJ- Talon ESI, Talon TSI (1994, import)
FJ- Avenger, Avenger ES, Sebring LX, Sebring LXI (1995-2000)

GA- Dodge M80 concept, production version (cancelled)
GA- Alpha Sedans - Quadrifoglio, Giulia, Ti, Q4, Ti Q4, Veloce, Veloce Q4 (2017-up)
G1- ?
G5- ?
GD- ?
GF- ?
GN- ?
GS- Voyager, Grand Voyager (Europe)
GT- ?
GU - Stelvio

HB- Durango 2nd gen (2004-2009)
HC- Durango 3rd gen (2011-up, code reassigned to WD)
HD- Durango future gen (reassigned to?)
HG- Aspen 1st gen (2007-2009)
HH- Aspen 2nd gen (vehicle cancelled, see "WC")

J1- Sebring CKD (2007-up)
J2- Cirrus, Stratus (1998, export)
J3- Wrangler CKD (2010-2014)
J4- Cirrus R/T convertible (1998-2000, Mexico)
J5- Journey CKD (2009-up)
J7- ?
J8- Wrangler CKD (2008-2014)
JA- Cirrus, Stratus (1995-2000)
JA- Breeze (1996-2000)
JC- Dodge Journey 1st gen (2009-up)
JD- Dodge Journey 2nd gen?
JF- Freemont, Fiat (2011-up)
JG- New
JK- Wrangler 6th gen; Wrangler Unlimited 1st gen (2007-2018)
JL- Wrangler, Wrangler Unlimited 7th gen (2019 - up)
JR- Sebring, Sebring convertible, Stratus (2001-2006)
JS- Lancia Flavia (2013)
JS- Sebring, Avenger (2007-up)
JT- Wrangler pickup (2020-up)
JX- Sebring JX, Sebring JXI (1996-2000)
JZ- Chrysler version of Journey (cancelled)

K1- Cherokee CKD (2002-2013)
K4- Cherokee (China, 2016-up)
K8 - Jeep, 3 row (2019-up, Asia/Pacific)
KA- Nitro 1st gen (2007-2011)
KB- Nitro 2nd gen (cancelled)
KJ- Liberty 1st gen (2002-2007)
KK- Liberty 2nd gen (2008-2012)
KL- Cherokee (2014-up)

L1- CKD?
L2- 300C CKD (Chinese, 2007-up)
L3 - 300C CKD? (2015-up)
LA- Challenger SRT (2015-2020)
LA- Challenger Demon (2018)
LA- Challenger SRT Hellcat (1st gen, 2015-2020)
LA- Challenger (2015-2020)
LA- Challenger T/A (2017-up)
LA- Challenger GT AWD (2017-up)
LB- Challenger (2021-up)
LC- Challenger SRT8 (2008-2020)
LC- Challenger base, R/T (2009-2020)
LD- Charger (2nd gen, 2011-2020)
LD- Charger SRT8 (2nd gen, 2012-2020)
LD- Charger SRT8 Hellcat (1st gen, 2015-2020)
LE- 300, Magnum, Charger (Europe)
LF- Charger (3rd gen, 2021-up)
LH- 300M (1999-2004)
LH- Concorde (1993-1998)
LH- Intrepid (1993-1998)
LH- LHS (1994-2001, no 1998 model)
LH- New Yorker (1994-1997)
LH- Vision (1993-1998)
LK- ?
LL- NEW
LS- ? (included R/T and SRT model, vehicle cancelled)
LT- ?
LX- 300, 300C, 300C SRT8 (1st gen, 2005-2010)
LX- 300, 300C, 300C (2nd gen, 2011-2020)
LX- 300C SRT8 (2nd gen, 2012-2020)
LX- Charger, Charger SRT8 (1st gen, 2006-2010)
LX- Magnum (1st gen, 2005-2008)
LX- Magnum SRT8 (1st gen, 2006-2008)
LY- 300, 300C (3rd gen, 2021-up)
LZ- (code dropped, may return)

M1- Patriot CKD (2010-2016)
M1- Compass (2017-up, Brazil)
M4- Compass (2017-up, China)
M6- Compass (2017-up, India)
MA- Alfa Romeo compact crossover
MJ- Commanche 1986-1992
MK- Compass, Patriot (1st gen, 2007-2017)
ML- (code dropped)
MM- Jeep compact crossover (TNAP)
MP - Compass (all new, 2017-up)

NB- ?
ND- Dakota (3rd gen, 2005-up)
NE- Dakota (4th gen, 2012-up?)
NM- MMC Raider (2006; 2008-up)
NS- Caravan, Voyager, Town & Country (1996-2000)
NT- Jeep J10 / J20 pickup (1984-1988)
NY- Ypsilon sedan (2013)

P1- Neon CKD (1998)
P2- Neon CKD (2000-2006)
P3- Caliber CKD (2007-up)
P4 - ? (Dart CKD?)
P5- PT Cruiser (2001-up, Mexico)
PB- PT Cruiser (code cancelled)
PD- Dodge B sedan (Neon) (2017-up, Mexico/Middle East)
PF- Dodge Dart (2013-up)
PG- PT Cruiser (2002-2003, export)
PJ- Jeep CUV (C-Evo/CUSW) (201?-up)
PK- Dodge small car (C-Evo/CUSW) (201?)
PL- Neon, Neon Canada SX2 (1995-2005)
PM- Caliber (first gen, 2007-2011)
PN- Caliber 2nd gen (vehicle cancelled)
PR- Prowler
PT- PT Cruiser 1st gen (2001-2011)
PV- ?
PW- Full size vans?

R1- Dakota CKD (1998-2001)
R2- Voyager CKD (2006-up)
RA- Chrysler full size crossover (changed to RD)
RD- Chrysler full size crossover
RE- ?
RF- (new)
RG- Caravan, Voyager, Town & Country (2001-2006, export)
RG- Voyager (2007, export)
RM- Minivan PL0, PL1, PL2, PL3 (2009-2014, VW version of Chrysler minivan)
RS- Minivan (2001-2007)
RS- Minivan (2008, Mexico)
RT- Minivan - Town & Country (2008-2016)
RT- Minivan - Caravan (2008-2017+)
RT- Ram C/V Tradesman (2014-up)
RU- Minivan - Pacifica (2017-up)
RU- Minivan - Pacifica PHEV (2017-up)

SD- Dodge (2018-up)
SJ- Jeep J series (1963-1986)
SJ- Wagoneer (1963-1983)
SJ- Super Wagoneer (1966-1969)
SJ- Grand Wagoneer (1984-1991)
SJ- Cherokee (1974-1983)
SR- Viper (1992-2002)
ST- Stratus & Sebring coupe (2001-2005)

T1- Wrangler CKD (2002-2006)
TJ- Wrangler (1997-2006)
TR- New

U1 - New (export?)
U2 - New
UA- Fiat small car (201?-)
UC- Chrysler Mid-Size (C-Evo/CUSW) (201?-)
UF- Chrysler 200 (2015-up)
UG - New
UJ - Jeep Mid-Size (TNAP) C-Evo/CUSW (201?-)
UK - New
UL - (old code for KL Liberty replacement)
UM - New
UT- FWD Alfa Romeo (cancelled)

VA- Sprinter (2002-up)
VB- Sprinter next gen?
VF- Ram Promaster (2014-up)
VJ- Willys Jeepster (1948-1950)
VM- Ram Promaster City (2015-up)
VR- New
VT- ?

W1- Grand Cherokee CKD WJ (1999-2005)
W2- Grand Cherokee CKD WK (2006-2015)
W3- Grand Cherokee CKD (2016-up, Egypt)
W6- ?
WC- Aspen (2nd gen, vehicle cancelled)
WD- Durango (3rd gen, 2011-2019)
WD- Durango SRT (1st gen, 2018-2019)
WE- (code dropped)
WG- Grand cherokee (2nd gen, 1999-2004, export)
WJ- Grand cherokee (2nd gen, 1999-2004)
WH- Grand Cherokee (3rd gen, 2005-2010, export)
WK- Grand Cherokee (3rd gen 2005-2010 and 4th gen 2011-2019)
WK- Grand Cherokee SRT8 (1st gen 2006-2010 and 2nd gen 2012-2019)
WK- Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (2018-2019)
WL- Grand Cherokee (5th generation, 2020-up)
WM- (cancelled June 2013, Maserati Levante project, based on Grand Cherokee)
WS- Wagoneer / Grand Wagoneer (2020-up)
WX- (code dropped)
WY- (code dropped)

X1- Cherokee CKD (1999-2001)
X2- ?
XJ- Cherokee (1984-2001)
XH- Commander (1st gen, 2006-2010, export)
XK- Commander (1st gen, 2006-2010)
XL- (Commander 2nd gen, vehicle cancelled)

Y1- Wrangler CKD (1994-1996)
YJ- Wrangler (1984-1995)
YK- Jeep (?)

Z1- Grand Cherokee CKD (1994-1998)
ZB- Viper 3rd gen (2003-2010, no 2007 model year)
ZC- (code dropped)
ZD- Viper (4th gen) (2013-2017)
ZH- Crossfire 1st gen (2004-2008)
ZG- Grand Cherokee 1st gen (1993-1998, export)
ZJ- Grand Cherokee 1st gen (1993-1998)


NOTE: "CKD" = "Completely Knocked Down", unassembled vehicles that
are shipped out to different countries for assembly. The parts for CKD kits are
boxed to suit the sequence of the assembly lines in each destination plant.


---Allpar.com/oh2o--

Hi! I´m not sure if the BK was ever built or commercialized in Mexico, But we did assembled and sold Dodge Forza (LE and LX versions) in the Valencia Assembly Plant in Venezuela (at the time our engineering support for that program came from Mexico, maybe that´s why you show it as a mexican program) . We also built many other CKD programs: SJ Wagoneers (though I think that was previous plant), Y1, X1, K1 (both KJ and KK), Z1, W1 and W2 (both WK1 and WK2), P1 and P2 Neons and P3 Caliber.

 

[Dave Z]

Remind me of what the Forza is?

 

[68RT]

Remind me of what the Forza is?

Fiat Palio sedan rebadged as the Dodge Forza in Venezuela

To give Venezuelan families a budget car, Dodge has rebadged the Palio sedan (Siena) as the Dodge Forza in two variants namely LE and LX.

indianautosblog.com

 

[Dave Z]

Thanks!

 

[auric]

https://cdn.motor1.com/pdf-files/programdirnam.pdf

I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets removed from their site. People here would be most interested in the stellantis section.
New codes C6X EJ KM49 KM74 LB29 LB49 RU-2 and others

 

[Erik Latranyi]

Compass goes to Brampton as the only vehicle on STLA Medium?

Seems like Belvidere gets closed or turned into a battery plant.

Cherokee goes to Toluca
Wagoneer S goes to Toluca
Recon built in Toluca

 

[12soldier]

https://cdn.motor1.com/pdf-files/programdirnam.pdf

I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets removed from their site. People here would be most interested in the stellantis section.
New codes C6X EJ KM49 KM74 LB29 LB49 RU-2 and others

Nice info. Gladiator change in 27. I'm glad to see a date but wish it was sooner. That VW Scout Truck seems interesting too.

 

[Dave Z]

It's been a long time since the conversation started. I'd like to post a draft page to be kept up to date as new rumors appear. (I did not copy from the program list PDF “blind,” only used it to reaffirm things that have already been noted.) Can you check it out, criticize, complain, fi

Stellantis and FCA platforms of the present and future

www.motales.com

ALso ->

Cherokee goes to Toluca
Wagoneer S goes to Toluca
Recon built in Toluca

would surprise me because while two are electrics, Wagoneer S and Recon were STLA Large the last time I looked. 'Course if Recon and Cherokee are STLA Medium, that would make sense, but Toluca makes the Compass now, where would that go? It's pretty successful.

 

[Erik Latranyi]

It's been a long time since the conversation started. I'd like to post a draft page to be kept up to date as new rumors appear. (I did not copy from the program list PDF “blind,” only used it to reaffirm things that have already been noted.) Can you check it out, criticize, complain, fi

Stellantis and FCA platforms of the present and future

www.motales.com

ALso ->

Cherokee goes to Toluca
Wagoneer S goes to Toluca
Recon built in Toluca

would surprise me because while two are electrics, Wagoneer S and Recon were STLA Large the last time I looked. 'Course if Recon and Cherokee are STLA Medium, that would make sense, but Toluca makes the Compass now, where would that go? It's pretty successful.

Compass goes to Brampton.

Windsor and Toluca will be STLA Large
Brampton will be STLA Medium

Rumor is that Wagoneer S is being totally revamped because it was going to be over the $80k limit for taxpayer subsidy.

 

[Dave Z]

Ah...
I wouldn't think Wagoneer S would matter for the subsidy. I'd have thought they'd have a different vehicle to get the middle market.

 

[Phil Krueger]

GG = Hornet
GC = Tonale

 

[Dave Z]

Really need to get all the corrections in for a fully updated list... huge though it might be... I guess motales will come to the rescue at some ponit!

 

[Dave Z]

I have an updated list ready for review and updates at Mopar body codes

“Expect errors”