NASCAR News & Discussion

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NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · Jun 1, 2021 (Edited)

NASCAR News & Discussion

It's been awhile since a dedicated topic existed for NASCAR discussion on Allpar. This topic is purely for news and discussion! 2021 has been an admittedly exciting year for NASCAR with a ton of changes and a lot of great storylines. So let's have some fun, strap up, and have some good-natured discussion on the sport.

This isn't the topic to bemoan and decry the sport. So hopefully we have some good NASCAR fans here ready to talk.

The topic is for the Cup Series, Xfinity Series, Camping World Truck Series and any local racing. Pretty much anything NASCAR related you want to talk about.

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dodgeismycar

· #701 · 3 mo ago

Lets be real. With the ICE going the way of my savings, Electric is the future. But after reading that Toyota wants to add teams to their stable, I think the whole series is in trouble.
Ford is hemorrhaging cash and may lose a copule of teams. SHR may switch OEMs and Rick Ware racing.
If the series loses Ford, a GM VS. Toyota series would not work.
Who knows??

Doug D

· #702 · 3 mo ago

dodgeismycar said:
I think the whole series is in trouble.

Why?

dodgeismycar said:
If the series loses Ford, a GM VS. Toyota series would not work.

I respectfully disagree. Currently Chevy has 17 teams, Ford 13 and Toyota 6 - these are the full-time teams. In addition there are 14 part-time teams (no charter) - 7 Chevrolet, 5 Ford, 1 Toyota and 1 unknown (source - Jayski).

The Ford teams of Penske and RFK dominated last week's race (Atlanta). They took 8 of the top 10 in qualifying and ran well in the race.

I don't see Ford leaving any time soon. But as you say, who knows?

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NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #703 · 3 mo ago

Bob Pockrass of FOX Sports NASCAR solved this Camaro ending production as we know it pretty quickly. It's the same thing NASCAR did for Chevy with the SS and Dodge when the Intrepid ended.

"Update after checking with NASCAR on interpretation of rules: Because the Camaro was a production vehicle at the time of its original submission, it remains qualified to race in Cup and Xfinity even beyond 2024 if Chevrolet chooses to do so." - Bob Pockrass

So in short, zero concerns.

Chevy will end production of the this Camaro generation, but a new generation is coming, and for us car purists... we aren't going to like what they are going to do it it. Imagine an electrified CUV with the Camaro badge on it...

NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #704 · 3 mo ago

On a side note, COTA will be an interesting race with lot's of world-wide talent joining in on the fun. Should be entertaining. Will pull in a lot of new eyes watching these worldwide talents converge in Austin.

Beentherebefore

· #705 · 3 mo ago

NWbyNW said:
Bob Pockrass of FOX Sports NASCAR solved this Camaro ending production as we know it pretty quickly. It's the same thing NASCAR did for Chevy with the SS and Dodge when the Intrepid ended.

"Update after checking with NASCAR on interpretation of rules: Because the Camaro was a production vehicle at the time of its original submission, it remains qualified to race in Cup and Xfinity even beyond 2024 if Chevrolet chooses to do so." - Bob Pockrass

Exactly what does that mean??? The Dodge Charger was a production vehicle at the time of it's submission and so was the Challenger. Could they be run in Nascar again after they will be discontinued?. Nascar used to allow any car approved to race to enter events till they were past 3 years old. Does that still apply?.......Anyone?

Gerry G

· #706 · 3 mo ago

NWbyNW said:
On a side note, COTA will be an interesting race with lot's of world-wide talent joining in on the fun. Should be entertaining. Will pull in a lot of new eyes watching these worldwide talents converge in Austin.

My opinion, the worldwide talents will likely not do well. Open wheel racing is not run as a contact sport where as NASCAR is. They may have an advantage when motoring through the corners but these cars are way heavier and not as nimble especially when joebob is leaning on you.

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NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #707 · 3 mo ago

Beentherebefore said:
Nascar used to allow any car approved to race to enter events till they were past 3 years old. Does that still apply?.......Anyone?

That is no longer the rule. It was amended in the early to mid 2000s to what we currently have. It may have been amended so Dodge could have a car when they were transitioning away from the Intrepid and for a year we had a Dodge car with no name in NASCAR. Just called the R/T.

The old Charger and Challenger cannot race again. They were way back in generation 6 of cars. We are in generation 7. As for the names themselves, I am sure. They didn't reapply the branding in this current era of NASCAR. I would assume no.

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NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #708 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

CUP SERIES COTA RECAP

Tyler Reddick (Full Results)

XFINITY SERIES COTA RECAP

AJ Allmendinger (Full Results)

TRUCK SERIES COTA RECAP

Zane Smith (Full Results)

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Doug D

· #709 · 2 mo ago

Gerry G said:
My opinion, the worldwide talents will likely not do well. Open wheel racing is not run as a contact sport where as NASCAR is. They may have an advantage when motoring through the corners but these cars are way heavier and not as nimble especially when joebob is leaning on you.

And true to form, they didn't finish well. They did run well at times when the field got strung out, but when it was go-time, they didn't do well in the multiple restarts with the field bunched up. They aren't accustomed to rubbing fenders with the regulars.

Back in the day about 20-30 years ago, teams whose regular driver was not good at road racing would bring in road course ringers. Typically, they ran well during the race, but didn't always finish well. Boris Said, I think, was the exception, where he had some good finishes, but by and large the ringers didn't do any better than the NASCAR regulars they replaced.

NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #710 · 2 mo ago

NASCAR drivers today are really talented road course drivers. Only a 'generation' from the drivers in the 2000s and 2010s, this new crop of drivers are truly tried and true on road tracks and are among the best in the world. As said about by Gerry G and Doug D, 'Road Course Ringers' don't have the same meaning as they once did.

They used to be able to come in and be very successful against a group of guys used to driving ovals. We only occasionally had NASCAR drivers back then who could race well on road courses. Drivers like Robby Gordon or Tony Stewart come to mind.

Things have changed. We went from 2 road tracks, now to 6. It is a significant part of the NASCAR schedule now. You can't just 'hang out' and finish 20th anymore at a road course. You have to race hard and finish well for those points. You have to learn to be good on a road track if you want to succeed.

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Beentherebefore

· #711 · 2 mo ago

NWbyNW said:
NASCAR drivers today are really talented road course drivers. Only a 'generation' from the drivers in the 2000s and 2010s, this new crop of drivers are truly tried and true on road tracks and are among the best in the world. As said about by Gerry G and Doug D, 'Road Course Ringers' don't have the same meaning as they once did.

They used to be able to come in and be very successful against a group of guys used to driving ovals. We only occasionally had NASCAR drivers back then who could race well on road courses. Drivers like Robby Gordon or Tony Stewart come to mind.

Things have changed. We went from 2 road tracks, now to 6. It is a significant part of the NASCAR schedule now. You can't just 'hang out' and finish 20th anymore at a road course. You have to race hard and finish well for those points. You have to learn to be good on a road track if you want to succeed.

And sometimes a former Sprint car driver might just be able to beat those Road Race specialists like Tony Stewart, "Rubby" Gordon, AJ Allmendinger, Ron Fellows, P. Carpentier, and PJ Jones...........

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Photos of Kasey Kahne driving the Petty team Budweiser Dodge to victory @ Sears Point road course in 2009 (shared from Pinterest).

Q.E.D.

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NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #712 · 2 mo ago

Gosh I miss Dodge in NASCAR.

It was so much fun rooting those drivers on.

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Doug D

· #713 · 2 mo ago

NASCAR fines Suárez $50,000 for post-race incident at Circuit of The Americas

Appeals panel amends penalties against Hendrick Motorsports (nascar.com)

Beentherebefore

· #714 · 2 mo ago

Hendrick gets away with cheating again. The monetary fine means nothing to that org. Keeping the points penalties would have gotten everyone's attention.

CHEVCAR..............................been that way since 1972.

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mopar_johnny85

· #715 · 2 mo ago

NWbyNW said:
Gosh I miss Dodge in NASCAR.

It was so much fun rooting those drivers on.

I've enjoyed the old races that FS1 has been playing. Watching the Dodges run up front brings back good memories.

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mopar22

· #716 · 2 mo ago

Beentherebefore said:
Hendrick gets away with cheating again. The monetary fine means nothing to that org. Keeping the points penalties would have gotten everyone's attention.

CHEVCAR..............................been that way since 1972.

Nascar wasn't the one that took away the points penalty, they wanted to keep it but the appeal committee (that's made up of different people everytime) changed it

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Beentherebefore

· #717 · 2 mo ago

mopar22 said:
Nascar wasn't the one that took away the points penalty, they wanted to keep it but the appeal committee (that's made up of different people everytime) changed it

At one time, one of the members of the appeals committee was the former head of "Brand C" over at GM. I don't know if he's still on that committee or if he was involved in this Hendrick decision.

Doug D

· #718 · 2 mo ago

NASCAR Must Make an Immediate Change or Risk Complete Castration (msn.com)

The panel hearing Hendrick Motorsports’ appeal of the NASCAR penalties consisted of truck/trailer retailer Kelly Housby, former racing marketing executive Dixon Johnston, and former driver Bill Lester, who competed in the Craftsman Truck Series from 2000-07 and made a few starts in the Cup Series.
The members rendered what amounted to a split decision by agreeing that Hendrick Motorsports broke the rules regarding single-source parts but reversing what nearly all observers regarded as the most important part of the penalty.

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Beentherebefore

· #719 · 2 mo ago

NWbyNW said:
NASCAR drivers today are really talented road course drivers. Only a 'generation' from the drivers in the 2000s and 2010s, this new crop of drivers are truly tried and true on road tracks and are among the best in the world. As said about by Gerry G and Doug D, 'Road Course Ringers' don't have the same meaning as they once did.

They used to be able to come in and be very successful against a group of guys used to driving ovals. We only occasionally had NASCAR drivers back then who could race well on road courses. Drivers like Robby Gordon or Tony Stewart come to mind.

Things have changed. We went from 2 road tracks, now to 6. It is a significant part of the NASCAR schedule now. You can't just 'hang out' and finish 20th anymore at a road course. You have to race hard and finish well for those points. You have to learn to be good on a road track if you want to succeed.

And...............fortune can even smile down on a short track specialist and 6X Champion of a feeder series (in this case, Winston West) to beat those road racing specialists at a major Nascar road racing event..............

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NWbyNW

Discussion Starter · #720 · 2 mo ago (Edited)

We had two first time winners this weekend!

CUP SERIES RICHMOND RECAP

Kyle Larson (Full Results)

XFINITY SERIES RICHMOND RECAP

Chandler Smith (Full Results)

TRUCK SERIES TEXAS RECAP

Carson Hocevar (Full Results)

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