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What Jeep needs more than a "short Grand Cherokee" is a true fixed-roof vehicle based on Wrangler: all the off-road you need, much better cargo volume, and it's an ideal third member of the Wrangler/Gladiator duo.

It would be cheaper to build too, as there's no need to engineer for removable doors and windshield, or add a roll-cage, but people would pay nearly the same as a Wrangler to get the additional utility.

Then Cherokee can stay as a road-biased AWD model.
 

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What Jeep needs more than a "short Grand Cherokee" is a true fixed-roof vehicle based on Wrangler: all the off-road you need, much better cargo volume, and it's an ideal third member of the Wrangler/Gladiator duo.

It would be cheaper to build too, as there's no need to engineer for removable doors and windshield, or add a roll-cage, but people would pay nearly the same as a Wrangler to get the additional utility.

Then Cherokee can stay as a road-biased AWD model.
True, if you take the Wrangler's basic footprint, make the interior as wide as the fender flares and remove the "roll bar" because it's not needed - you would end up with something pretty decent. And, like Wrangler, quite customizable.
 

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True, if you take the Wrangler's basic footprint, make the interior as wide as the fender flares and remove the "roll bar" because it's not needed - you would end up with something pretty decent. And, like Wrangler, quite customizable.
But it would be a huge box, like the H2 Hummer...with extremely poor fuel economy....and we know how that worked out.

Besides, the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer are that BOF SUV that should offer what you all desire.
 

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Aerodynamics was not Hummer's problem. Weight was. The lightest H2 was 6,400 lb (2.9 tonnes).That's 50% more weight than the JKU, which was never accused of being a lightweight vehicle.

Wagoneer is a couple of sizes bigger than Wrangler; hardly a good substitute.
 

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They are costing themselves sales by building 2500-3500 at Saltillo.

Say that is 50k sales a year. 50k x 12k profit per HD equals 600 million in profit. The investment is paid for in 3-4 years.

Plus you show the American customer that Stellantis isn't Daimler.
 

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Aerodynamics was not Hummer's problem. Weight was. The lightest H2 was 6,400 lb (2.9 tonnes).That's 50% more weight than the JKU, which was never accused of being a lightweight vehicle.

Wagoneer is a couple of sizes bigger than Wrangler; hardly a good substitute.
Wrangler Unlimited weighs over 4,000 lbs, not quite half of the H2. Expand a Wrangler to its fenders and you will add 1000 lbs.


Grand Cherokee L weighs over 4600 lbs
Current Grand Cherokee over 4700 lbs
Chevy Suburban over 5800 lbs
 

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Wrangler Unlimited weighs over 4,000 lbs, not quite half of the H2.
"50% more" does not mean "double".

Expand a Wrangler to its fenders and you will add 1000 lbs.
1000 lb? You aren't building a second body-shell outside the existing one, just moving the existing mass outward and adding a couple of square metres of sheet-metal. The removable-roof plus roll-cage is already heavier than a fixed upper body will be, and making doors and window non-removable will save further weight to balance this out.

Speaking for myself, I don't think you'd even need to widen it, though. The size is fine as it is - the lack of interior space is mostly down to the roll-cage. Without it, there's good room in there.
 

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But it would be a huge box, like the H2 Hummer...with extremely poor fuel economy....and we know how that worked out.

Besides, the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer are that BOF SUV that should offer what you all desire.
"50% more" does not mean "double".


1000 lb? You aren't building a second body-shell outside the existing one, just moving the existing mass outward and adding a couple of square metres of sheet-metal. The removable-roof plus roll-cage is already heavier than a fixed upper body will be, and making doors and window non-removable will save further weight to balance this out.

Speaking for myself, I don't think you'd even need to widen it, though. The size is fine as it is - the lack of interior space is mostly down to the roll-cage. Without it, there's good room in there.
Agree with KrisW here. It's worth noting the Land Rover Defender, while not BOF, is heavy (4600lbs.+) and box shaped and still manages 18/17/20 for the 4-cylinder and 19/17/22 for the 6-cylinder.
 

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What Jeep needs more than a "short Grand Cherokee" is a true fixed-roof vehicle based on Wrangler: all the off-road you need, much better cargo volume, and it's an ideal third member of the Wrangler/Gladiator duo.
It would be cheaper to build too, as there's no need to engineer for removable doors and windshield, or add a roll-cage, but people would pay nearly the same as a Wrangler to get the additional utility.
Then Cherokee can stay as a road-biased AWD model.
They had it right with the Africa concept. Length halfway between a 4 door Wrangler and the Gladiator. The proportions between passenger space and cargo space was more inline with that of the XJ, ZJ and WJ.
 

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I think Bob Sheaves would spontaneously combust if he were to read all the comments mentioning "roll cage". :ROFLMAO:
 
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