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Mr.Source said:
We had a replacement for the PT, it was not just a facelift, BUT Daimler canceled everything related to the next PT
That is not surprising.

A shame really.
 

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I sure remember that the P/T was quite the rage when it was first introduced. Sure seems like the thing could have 'evolved'...sorta like the Beetle.
 

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Sadly, Chrysler has a history of what I call throw away models, no updates, no continuity. I hope this is something that they are looking to change in the future, it doesn't promote much in the way of Brand loyalty.
 

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Unfortunately it was a casualty of one the worst mergers in history. The design was incredibly American. I'm not surprised the Germans killed it. Maybe it was revenge for Normandy. The great thing is, they couldn't kill Chrysler. I was not a fan of the second gen redesign.

It is a love it/hate it car. For everyone who passionately hates it, there is an equal number who passionately loves it. Lutz was a big champion of the project. He jumped ship and built a similar version for GM.
 

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The tops from Karmann have a very high breakdown rate compared with the ASC tops. I don't know the reason but I'll say that on my test car, admittedly an early preproduction model, both the top and the windbreak broke.
 

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It has an auto?
Yes, because of the nature and the target, this was made auto, and it wasn't planned to offer it auto, because we thoought it was going to a different target, people who were going to buy it were going to be more mature and older, it was never meant to be raced like the neon, anyway it's fast and fun, and people still look at it.

DaveAdmin said:
Wow, that's a beauty, are those seats original?
Yes Dave, this PT was planned like this one, if you see the car has a special tuned suspension, it is about 2 inches lower than the normal PT, rotors and pads are bigger, it has a larger intercooler fot the engine, tranny and steering. It cameout already with the blow off valve, stage one, and many more accesories that were offer in the Neon as options.
Seats were also special, they said market was not ready for those and anyway Daimler gave a no to the project in 2004.
 

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I loved the look of the first PT and thought Chrysler was very daring to build such a product. When it took off as a great home run hit I was even more taken by it.

Then in 07 I purchased a 06 model PT GT rag top for my wife as she also loved the PT and always wanted a convertible. I really didn't like the car from the moment I saw it, the Dumbler Benz decontenting and the (IMO) hastily restyled front end styling really kind of turned me off the car. I never really liked the convertible with it's style bar/roll bar thing taking away from the car's retro look and in my opinion doing the worst thing a convertible can do, looking better with the top up rather than down.

I really kind of grew to hate it more every year, she is a pain to work on under the hood (accessory belt, timing belt, anything jammed in the tight under hood space)
The drivers seat was all cracked and split shortly after the warranty was up. (seemed to last 60k miles and then just rapidly fall to pieces)
And I had never been around rag tops before this car and had always wondered what the term "cowl shake" referred to on a convertible, boy you sure understand what it is when you drive a PT GT rag top.
In the end I learned a few lessons from this car all of which I knew but ignored when I bought it.
One, don't buy a product when a manufacture is in decontenting mode, two, test drive for yourself even if the car is for the wife and she likes it and three, if a leather interior is mostly vinyl then its likely cheap vinyl at that. EDIT: almost forgot the most important one of all, don't cut the roof off a car that was never intended to be a convertible to begin with.

I'm happy to say my wife still drives her PT every day, sun, rain, or snow and she still loves her car. She wouldn't part with it for any other new car, so overall it still makes her happy and I guess that was the purpose of buying it. (Well she does like the Mini, but that ain't gonna happen, no German cars here)

So that's my long winded two cents on this car, my wife loves it but myself not so much.
 

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BrewSwillis said:
For some reason, I don't think that website thinks too highly of Chrysler vehicles:

Good Riddance, PT Cruiser Car Rentals

How Chrysler's Dodge Dart Missed the Mark

'Just Cheap': Chrysler 200 Named 2012's Worst Car
All from the Bloomberg website. Consider the source. This clown even badmouths soda pop....!
 

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Good point about not buying a car when a manufacturer is in decontent mode. Unfortunately the general public has no way of knowing when this is happening. We enthusiasts then have to then suffer through the complaints from family members, friends - even strangers.

I'm maintaining my '03 PT GT as a time capsule (of sorts) to a point in time where one could barely see the detrimental effects of the Daimler era yet a preponderance of the good Chrysler stuff was still there. Example:

When I first bought my car, my organization owned an electronics manufacturer that we knew from the inside was a corner cutter. To my amazement, when I first cracked the hood of my PT to see our vendors' name proudly emblazoned on the battery straps I knew that I'd be replacing them soon. Sure enough, when it was time to change the factory installed battery at year four and 5.000 miles (despite the use of a battery maintainer in climate controlled storage) the battery straps were eaten-up.......

Poor metallurgy from a poor vendor possibly attributable to poor supplier management in a former organization overstressing cost control?
 

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Mr.Source said:
Sweet! I love the interior.

Charger Red said:
Good point about not buying a car when a manufacturer is in decontent mode. Unfortunately the general public has no way of knowing when this is happening. We enthusiasts then have to then suffer through the complaints from family members, friends - even strangers.

I'm maintaining my '03 PT GT as a time capsule (of sorts) to a point in time where one could barely see the detrimental effects of the Daimler era yet a preponderance of the good Chrysler stuff was still there. Example:

When I first bought my car, my organization owned an electronics manufacturer that we knew from the inside was a corner cutter. To my amazement, when I first cracked the hood of my PT to see our vendors' name proudly emblazoned on the battery straps I knew that I'd be replacing them soon. Sure enough, when it was time to change the factory installed battery at year four and 5.000 miles (despite the use of a battery maintainer in climate controlled storage) the battery straps were eaten-up.......

Poor metallurgy from a poor vendor possibly attributable to poor supplier management in a former organization overstressing cost control?
The lack of the rear sway bar in my GT was a major issue for me. I put Eibach sway bars on mine to fix that problem.
 

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My first PT battery lasted 8 years, but the one in my second PT gets replaced every three years regardless what is done, it just up and stops.
 

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Source... that PTSRT is totally slammin'

Jealous

dana44 said:
My first PT battery lasted 8 years, but the one in my second PT gets replaced every three years regardless what is done, it just up and stops.
Finally a subject in whicch I am truly an expert. All types of sealed lead acid batteries (SLA) last three to five years. Many people report getting 8-10 years out of a car battery. This often happens. It is usually chalked up to manufacturing variables. You simply go the "pick of the litter".

However, there are other variables that contribute to extended lifespans of SLA cells (Sealed lead acid battery cell).
1) Duty cycle, how often is it charged, and discharged?
2) how long and how deep are the discharges?
3) How long and how high are the charging cycles?
4) What is the storage temp?
5) Are the connections kept clean and in good electrical contact with the charging system? Are they torqued correctly?
6) How is the charging system?
7) Is it functioning at full factory spec? Is it at the right voltage level? Is it loaded more heavily than when new?
8) How much time passed btween when the battery was made, and when it was installed?
9) What was the quality of its first charge in your car?

For Lead Acid batteries, the top of the line are those intended for use in large UPS systems. These can cost thousands per unit for SLA's. Replacement car batteries are the bottom of the barrell, as far as quality goes. Few people are willing to pay for a high quality version, and htey largely do not exsit. Interstates are good, but at less than $200 for the biggest of them, there isn't much room to build quality into them. I replace my car battery as soon as 36 months have passed since it was made. I get mine from a local battery specialist (not Batteries Plus, nothing against them, their's stay on the shelf too long). For replacement car batteries, the most important thing is who made it, and how good is it, second, is how old is it? Older than six months? If so, that is too long for a car battery to sit on a shelf without a charge.
 

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Sorry for the drive by thread jacking. I got excited, because I do know quite a bit about batteries, and I don't usually get to whip out my cred's on this forum.

Back to the topic.

Source, that thing is SUH-LAMMIN'. If you sell it, I call dibs on first refusal.

I would love love love to see a PT Cruiser 2.
I would love love love to see a PT Cruiser 2.
I would love love love to see a PT Cruiser 2.
I would love love love to see a PT Cruiser 2.
I would love love love to see a PT Cruiser 2.
I would love love love to see a PT Cruiser 2.

That is me saying it a bunch of times to help make it come true.
 

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Old rendering pieced of what a Fiat based PT could look.

 
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