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That's a good one Tannon. I had a 77 GMC shorty 4X4 van and it had a full frame under it, but don't know how it compared to the similar truck frame, I remember it being pretty straight 3/4 ton frame with leaf springs in the front end. Heck, it was practically 2 open channel 3X8s simply running front to back, and I know the other vans were frameless, so it just kind of set the van box on top of it. Are you thinking of doing a 4X4 van or something like that?