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NHTSA has begun an Engineering Analysis, the next step towards recall.

Ford continues to blame its fleet customers, and claims retail cars are fine ...

Amusingly, our fun-loving friends over at Chrysler Fleet have lowered the 2018 bid-out pricing of all 3 Charger Pursuit models by around $500/unit. Prices were significantly lowered in 2016, as well.

Regulators ratchet up probe of exhaust complaints (at https://www.salon.com/2017/09/30/regulators-ratchet-up-probe-of-exhaust-complaints_partner/ )
 

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One should be able to hear an exhaust leak up front that has a detectable odor, particularly ahead of the catalytic converter upon acceleration. Most public safety vehicle upfitters know enough from past experience that any holes cut into the cabin must be sealed to keep dust, noise and fumes from entering.
There is intentional interior air venting, so a vehicle is never 'airtight'.
This shouldn't be taking months to confirm and verify like it has. NHTSA will hopefully get to the bottom of it.
I used to build ambulances from Ford chassis cabs and my boss said to build them like they were expected to drive to hell and back. A lot of them looked like were driven to hell and back during their life.
 

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Way too many agencies across the USA are livid at Ford and its well known exhaust leaks on the Explorers. Bad PR, Ford; VERY bad PR, period.
 

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Ford may employ more defense attorneys than the U.S. gov't. Still, I hope that they do the right thing and fix it instead of placing an updated warning sticker on the visor.
 

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Wow, wouldn't this be a great time to have a Durango police package to push while Ford is having problems?
 
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One should be able to hear an exhaust leak up front that has a detectable odor, particularly ahead of the catalytic converter upon acceleration. Most public safety vehicle upfitters know enough from past experience that any holes cut into the cabin must be sealed to keep dust, noise and fumes from entering.
There is intentional interior air venting, so a vehicle is never 'airtight'.
This shouldn't be taking months to confirm and verify like it has. NHTSA will hopefully get to the bottom of it.
I used to build ambulances from Ford chassis cabs and my boss said to build them like they were expected to drive to hell and back. A lot of them looked like were driven to hell and back during their life.
Bingo. Therein lies the key - every upfitter knows to seal any hole. Further - very, very few holes are even necessary anymore. Most everything is Plug N Play - especially with the Charger Pursuit.

Ford has painted themselves into a corner over this, but politics is definitely involved - some departments are still infatuated with Ford products, so they're merely installing CO detectors in the cars and sending them out with a prayer and a promise. I know they have a Police Advisory Board like Chrysler Fleet, and I find it astonishing that they haven't raised cain over this.
 

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Wow, wouldn't this be a great time to have a Durango police package to push while Ford is having problems?
They do have the Durango (and Ram) SSV, but it sounds like they decided to put the retail SRT out first, in 2018, and the Pursuit - Rated Durango for 2019. Right now, the Durango SSV bids out very close to the Exploder. It literally makes no sense for any department not to use the Durango, but again, politics are involved in many cases, and Fleet has been pushing the AWD Charger Pursuit pretty hard, and having some good success that way.
 

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Without a pursuit rating, Durango can’t bid for a lot of contracts.
 

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Without a pursuit rating, Durango can’t bid for a lot of contracts.
In general, and with any number of exceptions, it is not super-common to see county or city bids that have the Pursuit rating specified. However! Many of those same agencies order under their state contracts which DO commonly specify performance requirements, and there is good reason for this: the differences right now are not having police-specific equipment, such as wiring harnesses, suspension, braking, certified speedo, tires, etc.
So the AWD Charger Pursuit is probably the best overall squad offered by any OEM that is Pursuit-Rated yet can go in the snow. The problem that both it and the Exploder has is lack of ground clearance. The 4×4 Tahoe is the choice here, but holy cow - it bids out for $46,000 !!! That is 2 AWD Pursuits. Ouch. The AWD Durango, currently bidding out for about $26,500, will be the fix.
 

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In general, and with any number of exceptions, it is not super-common to see county or city bids that have the Pursuit rating specified. However! Many of those same agencies order under their state contracts which DO commonly specify performance requirements, and there is good reason for this: the differences right now are not having police-specific equipment, such as wiring harnesses, suspension, braking, certified speedo, tires, etc.
So the AWD Charger Pursuit is probably the best overall squad offered by any OEM that is Pursuit-Rated yet can go in the snow. The problem that both it and the Exploder has is lack of ground clearance. The 4×4 Tahoe is the choice here, but holy cow - it bids out for $46,000 !!! That is 2 AWD Pursuits. Ouch. The AWD Durango, currently bidding out for about $26,500, will be the fix.
Tahoe: the cost per mile while in service then the retail value when decommissioned may be close to the Dodge and Ford police packages
 

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Tahoe: the cost per mile while in service then the retail value when decommissioned may be close to the Dodge and Ford police packages
The AWD Pursuit is killing Ford and Chevy there. Fuel economy being #1, with resale (so far) #2. The fuel consumption rates of the Exploder and Tahoe are simply horrendous. Breathtakingly horrendous. The Charger (all variations) does quite well, as does the Durango SSV 3.6.
The AWD Pursuit is currently bringing 4WD Tahoe money in resale. They are very hot in the used market, and will probably remain so, as they are the only V8/AWD cars manufactured by the Big 3 (plus Toyota, Honda, etc). Even higher-mileage units are retailing for well over $15,000, which is about what one can expect to pay for a nice, newer 4WD Tahoe PPV. Oddly enough, clean late model RWD V8 Pursuits sell for similar - or more - money as AWD Exploders.

One tip - if anyone is looking for a steal, find a low-mileage, late model V6 Pursuit. They are an excellent car, just a couple seconds slower 0-60 vs the V8.
 

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I'm surprised that the 5.3L Tahoe's no worse on gas than at least the EcoBoost Utility.
 
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