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I think you're confusing the 2nd post for the first???
I don’t know, but this was the photo in your post that I replied to.

Strange.
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In any case, the photo situation is irrelevant. The GC Overland and Summit definitely have a classier interior.
 

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And to think that at one point, not too long ago, this was considered fit for human consumption.
That's the base-model 2008 Liberty interior and they were mimicking the Wrangler. They did a good job doing that and again, this was the BASE model from 12 years ago...
 

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I don’t know, but this was the photo in your post that I replied to.

Strange.
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In any case, the photo situation is irrelevant. The GC Overland and Summit definitely have a classier interior.
The links broke for some reason, so I found a similar image of the same package from anther source. Still a Summit though???
 

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Doorhandles on both of our wk's are beyond cracked.. the fan clicks like crazy in one, and the shifter console facade is barely hanging on. Lol.. but they are, what, 15 years old now?
Terrible. But nothing on my KK's interior broke after 7 years and 170,000 miles. I know those doorhandles on those WKs were GARBAGE though. I guess I got lucky. I used to be a valet driver and I know very well how those interiors actually held up. I got a good one.
 

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The links broke for some reason, so I found a similar image of the same package from anther source. Still a Summit though???
If it’s the same package in both pictures then yes, they are both Summits.
 

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Yuck...

No thank you. The ergonomics of those are absolutely dreadful. Few physical buttons. Small, hard-to-reach controls. Disjointed components & design styles. Undersized HVAC vents. A user interface and control system on the infotainment system that has more in common with DOS than anything modern. Nooks and crannies that will catch dust and never be able to be cleaned effectively. A design that FORCES the driver to look away from the road ahead for most every control.

Not only does that sort of interior look like it was designed by a 27 committees all operating in their own vacuums, but it is also UNSAFE and encourages "distracted" driving.
Totally disagree on the ergonomics. The interior has prominent knobs for HVAC temperature, volume, and station search. The touchscreen is located close to the driver and is actually more in the driver's sight line than any Jeep.
 

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New 208 is technically... Let's say not so good car. And rear suspension solution. :facepalm:

And it's regularly losing comparison tests against new Renault Clio.
 

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Totally disagree on the ergonomics. The interior has prominent knobs for HVAC temperature, volume, and station search. The touchscreen is located close to the driver and is actually more in the driver's sight line than any Jeep.
The Mazda's (which I'm referring to) don't have touch-screens. They have a "knob" down by the center console that controls the infotainment system. They also have very few hard buttons...

I think you're talking about the new Nissan design? That interior is certainly laid out better than the Mazdas, but it's not markedly better than any given Jeep's in terms of layout and ergonomics.
 

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Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but even if a post merger FCA-PSA group has the top spot in this space, just how much actual profit can this segment actually produce? I mean in total euros, not margin %.

Aren't these generally low cost, bare-bones work vehicles?

I could understand if we were talking about a high dollar, high margin segment like expensive luxury SUV's or something, but being the top player of a segment which is low cost to begin with seems rather unimportant, in the grand scheme of things.
2019 LCVs registrations in Europe were 2.1 million (LCV = commercial vehicles with weight up to 3.5 tons).

It is difficult to know the margins since manufacturer doesn't make public that data, but is estimated between 8% and 11%.
The sector of vans is estimated to increase since e-commerce.

As reference the pricelist of a Fiat Ducato van version starts about Euro 25k and goes up to about Euro 35k (taxes excluded).

A mid 2018 article.
Ford, Renault, VW, tighten grip on Europe's LCV sector (at https://europe.autonews.com/article/20180703/ANE/180629776/ford-renault-vw-tighten-grip-on-europe-s-lcv-sector )
 

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The Mazda's (which I'm referring to) don't have touch-screens. They have a "knob" down by the center console that controls the infotainment system. They also have very few hard buttons...

I think you're talking about the new Nissan design? That interior is certainly laid out better than the Mazdas, but it's not markedly better than any given Jeep's in terms of layout and ergonomics.
My apologies, thought you were talking about the Nissan.
 

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Nissan interiors tend to look good from far, but when you get inside and start touching things, they are far from good.

Mazda still leads in interior design IMO. Mazda interiors look and feel premium, way above their price point. Mazda designers consistently show a fine aesthetic sensibility normally associated with Italians more than Japanese automakers. And everything you touch feels as rich as it looks.
Interesting tidbit- I have on good hand from a trusted source that the Rogue's interior is going to feel nice too. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. The weak spot for this car will likely be the powertrain combo.
 

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Interesting tidbit- I have on good hand from a trusted source that the Rogue's interior is going to feel nice too. I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. The weak spot for this car will likely be the powertrain combo.
Yep, can't stand CVT's. Too bad, because this new Rogue looks interesting.
 

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Nissan products have flooded the used car market. Hertz is bankrupt and the other rental car companies have flushed out inventory to weather this financial storm caused by the pandemic lockdown. Any new Nissan model has to be a significant upgrade from the older model.
 
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