Thanks, KOG, that's pretty much what I'm thinking. If I can get the kid to send me a sound clip, I might be a little more willing to make the drive. I've had engines with both problems over the years and having had two brain surgeries, I'm missing part of my skull in the back just above my neck. I can't do any heavy lifting any more, so there's no way I'd tackle this job if it sounded like the broken flex plate. I'm not supposed to lift more than 15 pounds any more. I do sometimes, out of pure necessity, but I pay for it for the next couple of days with a severe headache. It's just not worth it.