Renegade facelift '23

codypet said:

I love my Voyager but it was my first car, and my parents had a Grand Voyager. But I understand why people swoon over Toyotas and Hondas. The Chrysler vehicles require you maintain them and on occasion replace major components. I got my Voyager with 130,000 miles and now its over 300,000 but there's been a lot of work done to it. By 130,000 it was on its 2nd compressor, its had carb swaps, trans swaps, numerous more compressor swaps, and pretty much all the bushings replaced. Now much of that is the car going from 20 years old to 40 years old, and 170,000 miles of driving. And it being my first car, I'd accepted that's what people did to their cars because my peers with Honda and Mitsu's were under their cars too.

But after owning my Honda and keeping it stock, I've complained that the car is boring. Short of spark plugs and oil changes, and replacing the radio with an Android Auto unit, its needed nothing and is at 12 years and 115,000 miles. That said the TPMS had kicked the bucket, but Discount Tire will fix as part of their service usually. And all that work that my peers were doing on their Hondas in the 2000's was to make more power and make it less reliable.

That said when it comes time to replace the Honda (which at this point will be 2029), I'm really eyeing a Wrangler 4xe. Why? Despite all its flaws, there's something about this company and its cars that I love and feel for despite its quirks. Nothing in the other brands even comes close in the "feel" dept. Look at the new Civic or the Rav4. My parents have moved on from GM to Mazda, all of those are just blech to me. My exwife when we were married had a Subaru, and while looking at the car it looked great and kind of gave me that feeling, one look at trying to change the sparkplugs, or driving with that slushy CVT completely ruins the experience.

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Zagnut27 said:

When I got my first apartment after moving out of my parents house, I temporarily used the back seat from my TJ as my couch…it wasn’t well suited for that purpose by any stretch, so that didn’t last long. Lol. Nope, sitting in the back seat wasn’t much fun then, though it’s probably more enjoyable now in the JL…but it’s not for everybody. Some will never get why Wranglers are so popular, and so loved. Loud, uncomfortable (relatively), vibrations, etc. I love them, always have and always will, but I understand why some do not, my wife being one of them! (But she puts up with me and my Jeeps).

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AceHanlon said:

I can't even imagine sleeping in the back of one of the TJ's! Would probably wake up looking like a pretzel!!

As my dad says, It's a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand it.

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