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I only saw three Jeeps during my two week trip to Ireland. One Compass and Two Renegades. With the cars over there, they should be selling Renegades like mad in the UK and Republic of Ireland. Most of the cars in Ireland were total crap. Look up the SEAT Arona if you think that I'm not being fair...:)
 

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Yeah their priorities are really odd. The one thing no one ever answers is, if it's the crack management team here that says, let's keep the 2.4 around because we don't want to spend much on the lower Fiat based Jeeps, or something else.
Or, to be fair, maybe they are waiting for the mass produced version of the 1.5T to get out of development and testing.
 

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It could be, but I'm with the one poster, this is their biggest market, the best chance to make money and we don't even get the goodies that the rest do. It makes no sense.
 

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Someone needs to post an A/B of the old and new picture because I can't tell the difference.
I had two open tabs, and kept flipping between the two. There aren’t huge differences, but that’s nothing that replacing the vehicle with a new model couldn’t fix. Lol. Isn’t it due for a replacement, it feels like it’s been around forever, and not in a good way?

I must admit I‘ve never been a fan of Renegade, it’s my least favorite Jeep, the styling is cartoonish IMO. No offense to anyone here who owns one, or just purchased one (as I now take my foot out of my mouth).
 

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I had two open tabs, and kept flipping between the two. There aren’t huge differences, but that’s nothing that replacing the vehicle with a new model couldn’t fix. Lol. Isn’t it due for a replacement, it feels like it’s been around forever, and not in a good way?

I must admit I‘ve never been a fan of Renegade, it’s my least favorite Jeep, the styling is cartoonish IMO. No offense to anyone here who owns one, or just purchased one (as I now take my foot out of my mouth).
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Or, to be fair, maybe they are waiting for the mass produced version of the 1.5T to get out of development and testing.
I think the 1.5l is coming out here shortly in the Alfa Tonale then it will filter down to the Compass and Renegades.
 

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It may have a little something to do with defending the company's market position in Brazil.
South America is a big profit center for FCA, along with the North American market. Europe is a drain on FCA, except for the one plant in Poland that makes everything not to be confused with the 6 plants in Italy that make 5 cars. Sorry don’t know enough about Peugeot and their factories and output
FCA doesn't exist. The US and Europe are huge profit centers for Stellantis, Brazil/LATAM is inconsequential in comparison. They need to pay more attention to the US and less attention to meaningless bragging rights that don't matter outside of LATAM.

 

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Or, to be fair, maybe they are waiting for the mass produced version of the 1.5T to get out of development and testing.
The 1.3T is the replacement for the 2.4. The 1.5T (200 HP) is the upgraded engine that the 1.3T (177 HP) never was.
 

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Wife wanted to test drive them, said they were cute. After she drove it, she was no longer interested and I never loved her more.
 

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You can get a stickshift Corolla, not a base model, nicely equipped. I thought about it, but it's a bit underpowered and dealers refuse to order any, so there's no test drive. I'm still driving the 1.4T Dart. (I did test a Civic Si which I probably should have switched to, and a Kia which was surprisingly good, but not better enough than the Dart to be worth the money for me personally.)

I'm generally Chrysler loyal, as our home fleet shows, but they don't sell a small car with a stick any more.
 

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You can get a stickshift Corolla, not a base model, nicely equipped. I thought about it, but it's a bit underpowered and dealers refuse to order any, so there's no test drive. I'm still driving the 1.4T Dart. (I did test a Civic Si which I probably should have switched to, and a Kia which was surprisingly good, but not better enough than the Dart to be worth the money for me personally.)

I'm generally Chrysler loyal, as our home fleet shows, but they don't sell a small car with a stick any more.
I love my old Mopars, but I've been displeased with my Chryslers over the long run since the 99' Intrepid. They're just costing me too much money and time in what are in my opinion very unnecessary breakdowns. I wish I could say differently. Maybe I don't have the money to buy their "good stuff" but even if I did, the last 20 years of laying under them doesn't give me the confidence to borrow $60,000+ for another one.

I gave up on brand loyalty a long time ago. I'm as loyal to Chrysler (or any other company including my employer) as they are to me. You probably know how much that is 😉
 

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I gave up on brand loyalty a long time ago. I'm as loyal to Chrysler (or any other company including my employer) as they are to me. You probably know how much that is 😉
I understand it though I don't practice it. I will admit Chrysler's recent attitude towards replacement parts has me worried about our other cars.
 

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I love my old Mopars, but I've been displeased with my Chryslers over the long run since the 99' Intrepid. They're just costing me too much money and time in what are in my opinion very unnecessary breakdowns. I wish I could say differently. Maybe I don't have the money to buy their "good stuff" but even if I did, the last 20 years of laying under them doesn't give me the confidence to borrow $60,000+ for another one.

I gave up on brand loyalty a long time ago. I'm as loyal to Chrysler (or any other company including my employer) as they are to me. You probably know how much that is 😉
I love my Voyager but it was my first car, and my parents had a Grand Voyager. But I understand why people swoon over Toyotas and Hondas. The Chrysler vehicles require you maintain them and on occasion replace major components. I got my Voyager with 130,000 miles and now its over 300,000 but there's been a lot of work done to it. By 130,000 it was on its 2nd compressor, its had carb swaps, trans swaps, numerous more compressor swaps, and pretty much all the bushings replaced. Now much of that is the car going from 20 years old to 40 years old, and 170,000 miles of driving. And it being my first car, I'd accepted that's what people did to their cars because my peers with Honda and Mitsu's were under their cars too.

But after owning my Honda and keeping it stock, I've complained that the car is boring. Short of spark plugs and oil changes, and replacing the radio with an Android Auto unit, its needed nothing and is at 12 years and 115,000 miles. That said the TPMS had kicked the bucket, but Discount Tire will fix as part of their service usually. And all that work that my peers were doing on their Hondas in the 2000's was to make more power and make it less reliable.

That said when it comes time to replace the Honda (which at this point will be 2029), I'm really eyeing a Wrangler 4xe. Why? Despite all its flaws, there's something about this company and its cars that I love and feel for despite its quirks. Nothing in the other brands even comes close in the "feel" dept. Look at the new Civic or the Rav4. My parents have moved on from GM to Mazda, all of those are just blech to me. My exwife when we were married had a Subaru, and while looking at the car it looked great and kind of gave me that feeling, one look at trying to change the sparkplugs, or driving with that slushy CVT completely ruins the experience.
 
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