[AceHanlon]

I would’ve loved a 4-door Wrangler after I had my TJ, but they weren’t a thing at the time, not for a few more years. I got a Liberty Renegade instead...not really in the same league, but a great Jeep for me over the years. I see very few 2-door Wranglers, of any year, out and about. It’s almost all 4-doors.

I think there are those who really love the 2-doors and buy them, there are those that love them, but buy a 4-door instead for whatever reason, and there are those who love the 4-door versions. To each their own, but you can’t argue with take rate, and it’s far lower for 2-door models.

Jeep owners are a strange and quirky bunch, and each will swear by their own preferences.

I personally don't like the Wranglers from the 80's and 90's in terms of enjoyment while driving. It feels like riding around on a jack hammer. I much preferred my 98 Grand Cherokee and it had all the creature comforts I wanted while also giving a pleasant ride.

Also should be criminal to put a person bigger than a child in the back of those 4 door wranglers if you ask me.

 

[DustDevl340]

Well, we love our JLUS4XE "Trail Rated Minivan" as some Jeepers might call it.

We have two dogs. Putting them in their harnesses in the back of a 2 door just wasn't going to cut it for my back.

As far as rear seat accommodations are concerned, well, I don't have to ride there. If we're nice enough to give you a lift, I don't want to hear any complaints from the peanut gallery. The dogs don't complain, in fact they seem quite blissed out back there especially Sammy when I put the roof down and he feels the wind in his hair.

The ride and drive is perfectly fine. I am very happy with the handling, it is actually quite maneuverable and the ride is acceptable to us. Since all I've had before were sporty, hard riding cars, assorted Mazda 3s, a 70 Duster 340 and a Jeep Compass, I guess we haven't been spoiled by a smooth, quiet ride. Anyway, many of Toronto's roads are deteriorating and the Jeep handles them great on the way to the mall.

We even have all the creature comforts one could ask for although I really would love for the cold weather package to extend to a heated handbrake release. It is quite jarring to go from a nice warm wheel to a cold handbrake. First world issue, I know.

 

[valiant67]

Jeeze, I've ridden in the back seat of 4 door Wranglers (JK and JL) and it's not bad back there. Even the 2 door Wrangler isn't that bad in the back seat once you are in.

 

[Zagnut27]

I personally don't like the Wranglers from the 80's and 90's in terms of enjoyment while driving. It feels like riding around on a jack hammer. I much preferred my 98 Grand Cherokee and it had all the creature comforts I wanted while also giving a pleasant ride.

Also should be criminal to put a person bigger than a child in the back of those 4 door wranglers if you ask me.

When I got my first apartment after moving out of my parents house, I temporarily used the back seat from my TJ as my couch…it wasn’t well suited for that purpose by any stretch, so that didn’t last long. Lol. Nope, sitting in the back seat wasn’t much fun then, though it’s probably more enjoyable now in the JL…but it’s not for everybody. Some will never get why Wranglers are so popular, and so loved. Loud, uncomfortable (relatively), vibrations, etc. I love them, always have and always will, but I understand why some do not, my wife being one of them! (But she puts up with me and my Jeeps).

 

[AceHanlon]

When I got my first apartment after moving out of my parents house, I temporarily used the back seat from my TJ as my couch…it wasn’t well suited for that purpose by any stretch, so that didn’t last long. Lol. Nope, sitting in the back seat wasn’t much fun then, though it’s probably more enjoyable now in the JL…but it’s not for everybody. Some will never get why Wranglers are so popular, and so loved. Loud, uncomfortable (relatively), vibrations, etc. I love them, always have and always will, but I understand why some do not, my wife being one of them! (But she puts up with me and my Jeeps).

I can't even imagine sleeping in the back of one of the TJ's! Would probably wake up looking like a pretzel!!

As my dad says, It's a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand it.

 

[DustDevl340]

When I got my first apartment after moving out of my parents house, I temporarily used the back seat from my TJ as my couch…it wasn’t well suited for that purpose by any stretch, so that didn’t last long. Lol. Nope, sitting in the back seat wasn’t much fun then, though it’s probably more enjoyable now in the JL…but it’s not for everybody. Some will never get why Wranglers are so popular, and so loved. Loud, uncomfortable (relatively), vibrations, etc. I love them, always have and always will, but I understand why some do not, my wife being one of them! (But she puts up with me and my Jeeps).

My wife always wanted a Wrangler. When she was a little girl in Colombia her older cousin had a Jeep, probably an early CJ or even a military surplus, and took her for rides in it. I always liked them but hadn't had one before but I told her if she wanted one, let's do it because we're not getting any younger. After having it since June, I don't think I'd want anything else.

 

[DustDevl340]

I can't even imagine sleeping in the back of one of the TJ's! Would probably wake up looking like a pretzel!!

As my dad says, It's a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand it.

I have that saying on a sign in my home ofc.

 

[Zagnut27]

My wife always wanted a Wrangler. When she was a little girl in Colombia her older cousin had a Jeep, probably an early CJ or even a military surplus, and took her for rides in it. I always liked them but hadn't had one before but I told her if she wanted one, let's do it because we're not getting any younger. After having it since June, I don't think I'd want anything else.

 

[Donte Lindsey]

I personally don't like the Wranglers from the 80's and 90's in terms of enjoyment while driving. It feels like riding around on a jack hammer. I much preferred my 98 Grand Cherokee and it had all the creature comforts I wanted while also giving a pleasant ride.

Also should be criminal to put a person bigger than a child in the back of those 4 door wranglers if you ask me.

I liked them but it definitely felt like I was going 59 over a bunch of speed bumps in a shopping center. The Liberty was similar in ride.

 

[AceHanlon]

I liked them but it definitely felt like I was going 59 over a bunch of speed bumps in a shopping center. The Liberty was similar in ride.

Yeah I felt like I was gonna snap my neck lol.

 

[suzq044]

Then you have the other side of the argument.

This renegade owner has 30" tires, a big lift, and is convinced the Wrangler is a POS. (From their verbage not mine)

 

[suzq044]

There already is a cheap Wrangler, 2 doors and a subcompact car wheelbase, it's the one real purists want.

Trailhawks are right for Jeep, but Jeep ought to at least mean as much as Subaru and be all AWD. Dodge and Chrysler need FWD/AWD SUVs to compete with Honda/Toyota/Nissan and Acura/Lexus/Infiniti respectively, the little Jeeps just aren't competitive with them. Not giving SUVs to Dodge and Chrysler is all kinds of wrong in a market that is half SUV.

That is mostly the bad reliability record talking, not the ability or enjoyment of the vehicle they chose. Plus dealer treatment of clients after purchase at some dealers is still less than optimal at cdjr/f.

I'm in one of the Grand Wagoneer groups and while yes, teething issues are a thing in the first year, at that price point, or any, really, people shouldn't be having to deal with returns/buy backs because they've spent more time in the shop than in their driveway.

Reliability needs to step way way up, and not just that "initial quality" one. Long term. Even at the renegade level, many are happy but the electrical/tech stuff seems to be problematic.

They love their cars when they can drive them.

 

[IronMike3406]

As TJs and XJs disappear they are being replaced by 4 door Wranglers in the east and south. As a person who recently bought a new Jeep GCL, I'm still trying to figure out how these folks afford all the tires, suspension upgrades etc on 50k plus, new Wranglers.

Psst. It's called the American Way in debt to their eyeballs but they gotta keep up with the Joneses !

 

[David S]

That is mostly the bad reliability record talking, not the ability or enjoyment of the vehicle they chose. Plus dealer treatment of clients after purchase at some dealers is still less than optimal at cdjr/f.

I'm in one of the Grand Wagoneer groups and while yes, teething issues are a thing in the first year, at that price point, or any, really, people shouldn't be having to deal with returns/buy backs because they've spent more time in the shop than in their driveway.

Reliability needs to step way way up, and not just that "initial quality" one. Long term. Even at the renegade level, many are happy but the electrical/tech stuff seems to be problematic.

They love their cars when they can drive them.

No, the sales of the little Fiat based Jeeps stink because they guzzle gas compared to the competition. When the competition gets 30 mpg combined and your vehicle gets 25 mpg combined you aren't going to be near the top of the segment for sub/compact SUVs.

 

[suzq044]

No, the sales of the little Fiat based Jeeps stink because they guzzle gas compared to the competition. When the competition gets 30 mpg combined and your vehicle gets 25 mpg combined you aren't going to be near the top of the segment for sub/compact SUVs.

When your jeep has the aero of the broad side of a barn, and the weight of a 4wd car, you're not gonna get 30mpg. That's just accepted by anyone who buys one.. it's not like they don't see it. lol

I get it, you're one of those people that just doesn't like them. We are mutually opposed in this.

 

[page2171]

When your jeep has the aero of the broad side of a barn, and the weight of a 4wd car, you're not gonna get 30mpg. That's just accepted by anyone who buys one.. it's not like they don't see it. lol

I get it, you're one of those people that just doesn't like them. We are mutually opposed in this.

Part of the problem is that there are no other options. You either get a Jeep with the built-in disadvantages, or you shop elsewhere. There is no Chrysler or Dodge option for those who want the 30mpg.

 

[David S]

When your jeep has the aero of the broad side of a barn, and the weight of a 4wd car, you're not gonna get 30mpg. That's just accepted by anyone who buys one.. it's not like they don't see it. lol

I get it, you're one of those people that just doesn't like them. We are mutually opposed in this.

Part of the problem is that there are no other options. You either get a Jeep with the built-in disadvantages, or you shop elsewhere. There is no Chrysler or Dodge option for those who want the 30mpg.

I think a small Jeep should be off road biased, I like the Renegade, Compass and Cherokee Trailhawk for what they are, although they should all get the 1.3T and 2.0T. They are just aimed at a small niche.

What I don't like is the indefensible argument that "Jeep is the SUV brand, Chrysler and Dodge don't need SUVs in their lineups." The Renegade, Compass and Cherokee are simply incapable of filling Stellantis need for a mainstream subcompact and compact SUV, that should be filled by Chrysler and Dodge, the mainstream brands.

 

[IronMike3406]

I think a small Jeep should be off road biased, I like the Renegade, Compass and Cherokee Trailhawk for what they are, although they should all get the 1.3T and 2.0T. They are just aimed at a small niche.

What I don't like is the indefensible argument that "Jeep is the SUV brand, Chrysler and Dodge don't need SUVs in their lineups." The Renegade, Compass and Cherokee are simply incapable of filling Stellantis need for a mainstream subcompact and compact SUV, that should be filled by Chrysler and Dodge, the mainstream brands.

The 2022 Jeep Renegade the only engine available is 1.3l it is standard equipment across the board or at least that is what the website is saying right now. I didn't mind the 2.4l granted they are not a speed demon by any means but it isn't pokey slow either. If you learn to adapt your driving style it is adequate. I average about 28mpg on the freeway and 23-24mpg in the city. Far from our Ram with 16 on a good day with a strong Texas Tailwind behind it.

 

[David S]

The 2022 Jeep Renegade the only engine available is 1.3l it is standard equipment across the board or at least that is what the website is saying right now. I didn't mind the 2.4l granted they are not a speed demon by any means but it isn't pokey slow either. If you learn to adapt your driving style it is adequate. I average about 28mpg on the freeway and 23-24mpg in the city. Far from our Ram with 16 on a good day with a strong Texas Tailwind behind it.

Far from my Prius at 35 on a bad day. The Renegade just isn't competitive with the Asians, and comparing it with the Ram shows you just don't get it.

Also the Compass and Cherokee can't be had with a 1.3T, they still have to put up with the 2.4, while you can't get a 2.0T in Compass or Renegade.

 

[suzq044]

What about bringing the diesel here or dropping the 2L turbo from Wrangler in it? That thing has more than enough kick for a renegade.