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Then you have the other side of the argument.

This renegade owner has 30" tires, a big lift, and is convinced the Wrangler is a POS. (From their verbage not mine)
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With the suspension in full flex with that “lift” I’d imagine the ride quality is pretty bad. You’ll get ground clearance, but that’s about it. Norm would have quite a bit to say about that monstrosity, and none of it good. Bob Sheaves too probably, he’s not a fan of lift kits IIRC. That thing looks like a bullfrog in full rigor mortis.
 

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What about bringing the diesel here or dropping the 2L turbo from Wrangler in it? That thing has more than enough kick for a renegade.
The 2.0T that gets better mileage than the 2.4 in the Cherokee is a no brainer, of course the Renegade and Compass should be modified to take it. Federalizing a small 4 cylinder after Dieselgate? Absolutely not, even without the tougher emissions regulations coming that is a terrible idea.
 

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With the suspension in full flex with that “lift” I’d imagine the ride quality is pretty bad. You’ll get ground clearance, but that’s about it. Norm would have quite a bit to say about that monstrosity, and none of it good. Bob Sheaves too probably, he’s not a fan of lift kits IIRC. That thing looks like a bullfrog in full rigor mortis.
Yeah that was honestly my first thoughts too, lol.
Bob and Norm would be literally wtf-ing all over that thing.

But the point is, there's people that will hate on the Wrangler and spend all their money on a Renegade before buying the much more capable Wrangler. They say it drives "like a Wrangler" but they talk about rear end noise etc and are accepting of this but not a stock Wrangler.

First impression is a bleep. Lol
 

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I think a small Jeep should be off road biased, I like the Renegade, Compass and Cherokee Trailhawk for what they are, although they should all get the 1.3T and 2.0T. They are just aimed at a small niche.

What I don't like is the indefensible argument that "Jeep is the SUV brand, Chrysler and Dodge don't need SUVs in their lineups." The Renegade, Compass and Cherokee are simply incapable of filling Stellantis need for a mainstream subcompact and compact SUV, that should be filled by Chrysler and Dodge, the mainstream brands.
The Renegade build and price show the 1.3T as the standard engine on the Trailhawk.
 

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The Renegade build and price show the 1.3T as the standard engine on the Trailhawk.
Yep that's Renegade, the subcompact, the one wrong sized for the US. I said they should all get it.

2021
Renegade 47.137
Compass 75.642
Cherokee 89.126

RAV4 407.739
CR-V 361.271
Rogue 285.602
CX-5 168.448
Equinox 165.323
Forester 154.723
Outback 154.623
Tucson 150.949
Escape 145.415
Tiguan 109.743
Bronco Sport 108.169
Sportage 94.601

HR-V 137.090, 102.8 in wheelbase
Crosstrek 127.466, 105.1 in wheelbase
Trailblazer 90.161, 103.9 in wheelbase
Kona 90.069, 102.4 in wheelbase

The best selling "subcompact" SUV/CUVs are on longer wheelbases than the Renegade (101.2 in). The Trailblazer is the same size as the Compass, Crosstrek a little bigger. (Which shows there really isn't any rhyme or reason why automotive journalists stick them in one category or the other).

Highlander 264.128
Pilot 143.062
Traverse 116.250
Lexus RX 115.320
Santa Fe 112.071
Telluride 93.705

Subcompact 1.181.155
Compact 3.435.576
Midsize 3.032.576


Numbers from carsalesbase.
 

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Well this was just dropped if this the New Renegade in EV form they just might pry us away from ours !!
Nobody knows how big that is, though. The general guess I've seen is that its Compass sized, so bigger then the Renegade. However, it could be bigger, pushing it into the middle or even larger end of the compact class. We also don't have a name so whether its a new version of something or a whole new separate vehicle isn't clear. For all we know, that is the new Cherokee or its replacement and they will offer an all electric version.
 

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Yep that's Renegade, the subcompact, the one wrong sized for the US. I said they should all get it.

2021
Renegade 47.137
Compass 75.642
Cherokee 89.126

RAV4 407.739
CR-V 361.271
Rogue 285.602
CX-5 168.448
Equinox 165.323
Forester 154.723
Outback 154.623
Tucson 150.949
Escape 145.415
Tiguan 109.743
Bronco Sport 108.169
Sportage 94.601

HR-V 137.090, 102.8 in wheelbase
Crosstrek 127.466, 105.1 in wheelbase
Trailblazer 90.161, 103.9 in wheelbase
Kona 90.069, 102.4 in wheelbase

The best selling "subcompact" SUV/CUVs are on longer wheelbases than the Renegade (101.2 in). The Trailblazer is the same size as the Compass, Crosstrek a little bigger. (Which shows there really isn't any rhyme or reason why automotive journalists stick them in one category or the other).

Highlander 264.128
Pilot 143.062
Traverse 116.250
Lexus RX 115.320
Santa Fe 112.071
Telluride 93.705

Subcompact 1.181.155
Compact 3.435.576
Midsize 3.032.576


Numbers from carsalesbase.
While I agree that those numbers look bad, we have no idea to what degree they throttled production of those models to make sure they could support initial demand for the four new models that showed up last year. If you go back to 2019 those vehicles all did much better. Renegade was at 77k, Compass at 144k, and Cherokee at 191k.

Renegade has never been aimed at the US market anyway. They sell it here because they figure they might as well but US sales are no more than 1/3 of global sales in any given year. It sells better in Europe and Brazil, for example, which is the market they designed it for.
 

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While I agree that those numbers look bad, we have no idea to what degree they throttled production of those models to make sure they could support initial demand for the four new models that showed up last year. If you go back to 2019 those vehicles all did much better. Renegade was at 77k, Compass at 144k, and Cherokee at 191k.

Renegade has never been aimed at the US market anyway. They sell it here because they figure they might as well but US sales are no more than 1/3 of global sales in any given year. It sells better in Europe and Brazil, for example, which is the market they designed it for.
Cherokee has always been bad. And by bad I mean high incentives to get the number of sales to what they were.
It is really sad that Cherokee isn't a more competitive product. Or that all three small Jeeps combined are outsold by RAV4. Or that small Jeeps tanked so bad (some of which would be parts allocation, certainly) in 2021, that RAV4 almost doubled the sales of all three small Jeeps put together (in US sales).
The smaller CUV segment is being gobbled up by Toyota just like the small and midsize sedan segments were. Nothing appears to have been learned.
 

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Cherokee has always been bad. And by bad I mean high incentives to get the number of sales to what they were.
It is really sad that Cherokee isn't a more competitive product. Or that all three small Jeeps combined are outsold by RAV4. Or that small Jeeps tanked so bad (some of which would be parts allocation, certainly) in 2021, that RAV4 almost doubled the sales of all three small Jeeps put together (in US sales).
The smaller CUV segment is being gobbled up by Toyota just like the small and midsize sedan segments were. Nothing appears to have been learned.
The problem I saw (as a former KL Trailhawk owner) was that Cherokee was very much a compromise, square peg in a round hole. It tried to fulfill too many "needs":

1. Needed to be on CUSW, and thus FWD biased
2. Needed distinctive looks.
3. Needed "off road chops"
4. Needed to compete with similar sized commuter CUVs on interior dimensions and economy
5. Needed a "large" engine (the 3.2 PStar).
6. Needed a modern drivetrain.

In doing that, they created a vehicle that was ok, but there were much better vehicles available (including, in-company, the Wrangler) to fulfill a customer's needs within the same budget.
 

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Well this was just dropped if this the New Renegade in EV form they just might pry us away from ours !!
I think this is more a compass replacement than renegade. Reason: it fits with the style it already has, adds a little Cherokee drl/headlight style up front, and has the hidden rear door handles from the first generation model.

The tail lights are a lot like the upcoming refresh renegade, but that's about it.. and it's too short to be a Cherokee. 🤔

What if it's smaller than the current compass?
 

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I think this is more a compass replacement than renegade. Reason: it fits with the style it already has, adds a little Cherokee drl/headlight style up front, and has the hidden rear door handles from the first generation model.

The tail lights are a lot like the upcoming refresh renegade, but that's about it.. and it's too short to be a Cherokee. 🤔

What if it's smaller than the current compass?
I honestly think it is the replacement for the Renegade....They didn't really do much with the current update only a grill change and inclusion of the digital instrument panel. Plus the Renegade is a full 2 years older than the Compass and it looks like it has styling cues from both Compass and Renegade. I just hope this makes the market because it is a sharp looking little CUV
 

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Cherokee has always been bad. And by bad I mean high incentives to get the number of sales to what they were.
It is really sad that Cherokee isn't a more competitive product. Or that all three small Jeeps combined are outsold by RAV4. Or that small Jeeps tanked so bad (some of which would be parts allocation, certainly) in 2021, that RAV4 almost doubled the sales of all three small Jeeps put together (in US sales).
The smaller CUV segment is being gobbled up by Toyota just like the small and midsize sedan segments were. Nothing appears to have been learned.
Toyota and Honda and Nissan and Mazda and Chevy/Buick and Subaru and Hyundai/Kia and Ford and VW. The segment is competitive, the little Jeeps aren't.
 

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The problem I saw (as a former KL Trailhawk owner) was that Cherokee was very much a compromise, square peg in a round hole. It tried to fulfill too many "needs":

1. Needed to be on CUSW, and thus FWD biased
2. Needed distinctive looks.
3. Needed "off road chops"
4. Needed to compete with similar sized commuter CUVs on interior dimensions and economy
5. Needed a "large" engine (the 3.2 PStar).
6. Needed a modern drivetrain.

In doing that, they created a vehicle that was ok, but there were much better vehicles available (including, in-company, the Wrangler) to fulfill a customer's needs within the same budget.
That's what happens when you put all your eggs in the Jeep basket. You can't assign any of those roles to Chrysler/Dodge.
 
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