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A bad third quarter. Hopefully we are back to normal for 2022 with 4 good quarters.

On the brand side Fiat was down an abysmal 45%. Dodge down 19% which was all about discontinuing Journey and Caravan.
 

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Until they get the chip shortage resolved, sales will suffer. It’s hard to sell what you don‘t have, and the lots around here are still pretty bare.
 

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Ford's numbers are now out, too. For the year only 110k more than Stellantis. Challenger outsold Mustang by 2k units. And GC outsold Explorer by 40k.
Makes you wonder if it had made sense to continue the Caravan and Journey for another year? Older models = fewer chips needed? Of course, depends on the actual chips and their availability.
 

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Yes, because so much is based on Ram... and the prices are high enough... and I assume they will increase in sales... and they will h ave a Dodge or Chrysler equivalent at some point. But I'm wondering how long lived they will be given CAFE and such.
 

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Yes, because so much is based on Ram... and the prices are high enough... and I assume they will increase in sales... and they will h ave a Dodge or Chrysler equivalent at some point. But I'm wondering how long lived they will be given CAFE and such.
I keep forgetting how much of the 1500 really is in it. Btw, I finally did a test sit in one a couple weeks back. It is a very, very nice vehicle on the inside, even the Wagoneer.
 

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Years and years ago, I recall being in a Ram, during the Daimler decontenting times, and thinking, “This is more of a luxury car than their luxury car.”
 

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Congratulations to Ram on beating Silverado in 2021.

With Oshawa coming online for GM as we speak. Ram will have a hard time catching Silverado in 2022. Ram is capacity restrained and appears unable to gain more capacity.

If only there was a plant running at below 30% capacity in the Midwest footprint that could be added for Ram production.

Seems like the folks in Auburn Hills are unable to find a plant like that.
 

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Yes, because so much is based on Ram... and the prices are high enough... and I assume they will increase in sales... and they will h ave a Dodge or Chrysler equivalent at some point. But I'm wondering how long lived they will be given CAFE and such.
As I see it, the only way Wagoneer / Grand Wagoneer can continue into the medium / long term is by becoming 100% BEV.

I just can't see how CAFE lends itself to any other conclusion.
 

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Yes, because so much is based on Ram... and the prices are high enough... and I assume they will increase in sales... and they will h ave a Dodge or Chrysler equivalent at some point. But I'm wondering how long lived they will be given CAFE and such.
30K vehicles is not enough to keep WTP running. If the Classic goes away, what takes it's place besides the Durango?
Without the Classic Ram sales #'s would be way less than they are.
 

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As I see it, the only way Wagoneer / Grand Wagoneer can continue into the medium / long term is by becoming 100% BEV.

I just can't see how CAFE lends itself to any other conclusion.
Hybrid would work. Or selling a bunch of BEVs. I wonder how ProMaster BEV will do; clearly Amazon is happy.
 

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Congratulations to Ram on beating Silverado in 2021.

With Oshawa coming online for GM as we speak. Ram will have a hard time catching Silverado in 2022. Ram is capacity restrained and appears unable to gain more capacity.

If only there was a plant running at below 30% capacity in the Midwest footprint that could be added for Ram production.

Seems like the folks in Auburn Hills are unable to find a plant like that.
Or they keep making superior product, beat GM in margin, not have to worry about having excessive production capacity for light trucks, and laugh all the way to the bank.
 
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